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Standardization of State

I think we are sort of leaning toward [[Oregon|OR]] over [[Oregon]], so I'd like to standardize that way for State.Naraht (talk) 14:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I finally checked MOS. MOS:STATEABBR says, with the exception of Washington, D.C., "abbreviations of place names—e.g., Calif. (California), TX (Texas), Yorks. (Yorkshire)—should not be used to stand for the full names in normal text.... They should not be used in infoboxes." So state names should always be spelled out in the body of the article and the infobox. However, MOS:STATEABBR does allow the use of linked state abbreviations where space is tight, such as in a table. Note that the abbreviations US or U.S. is allowed in the article text and Infobox as this is on the list of allowed acronyms found in MOS:ACRO. Rublamb (talk) 18:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so we flip the other way, and remove the state abbreviations then.Naraht (talk) 18:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All state abbreviations done. The following piped entries remain. Washington, Georgia and New York need pipes on the right with their state name as the state name leads to redirect. Tau Delta Phi has DC on the right as that is an exception in MOS:STATEABBR.Naraht (talk) 19:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flower capitalization

White [[rose]] or White [[Rose]]? Naraht (talk) 21:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, I use the Wikilink's original spelling. Jax MN (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not honestly sure I understand your comment. Should it be Rose (with a capital R) or rose (with a lose case r) in the example?Naraht (talk) 01:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for being unclear. The word Rose, standing alone, is capitalized as a Wikilink article. However, following Wikipedia's rule on excessive capitalization, when called out as a particular sub-group of Rose, I think the preference around here is to omit capitalizing the trailing word "rose" in situations like White rose. But if you are going to nest a Wikilink around only that second word, the actual article you'd point to isn't "[[rose]]", but "[[Rose]]". I don't have a strong preference here, but given my preference to point to actual articles, with piped alternative spellings that reflect in the body text, I would likely frame it like this" "White [[Rose|rose]]". It's simply more work for us, and perhaps this is a clear example of why the lower case version of the word is automatically captured as a redirect to the upper case version. Jax MN (talk) 01:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is going to the same location, and so , no pipe needed, I was more interested in how it should be for the person to see. So, White [[rose]] it is.Naraht (talk) 15:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah... Rose and rose point to the same place, by design. Per the MOS the parameter (as displayed) would be "White rose" so we would link it as [rose]. Primefac (talk) 13:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

data for Flower

For Phi Kappa Psi, the value for flower is | flower = [[File:Rosa 'General Jacqueminot'.jpg|left|50px|[[Jacqueminot Rose]]]] . Should we allow images here?Naraht (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, my suggestion would be to allow it only if there is a specific official representation of the flower that is designated as the organization's flower. The purpose of an infobox is to provide a quick overview of basic information, and employing an image simply adds to clutter, especially as the fraternity flower has probably never been one of its primary identifying marks. It would be like placing an image of a plaque with the fraternity motto inscribed on it, rather than just the text of the motto itself,-- choster (talk) 18:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see value of generic flower images, especially in the Infobox. Rublamb (talk) 19:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Choster and Rublamb. FWIW. Jax MN (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Third'ed, links in the infobox, images in the body text. Primefac (talk) 13:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Motto format

What is the proper format for the Motto? I sort of like the way that infobox University does it where the motto, the language of the motto and its english version are all separate data fields, but if we don't have that, we should probably come to an agreement on what standard examples are.Naraht (talk) 12:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'm missing something, but we have separate data fields for all of our parameters as well; I'm not seeing anything different (or unusual) about the formatting at {{Infobox university}}. Primefac (talk) 13:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PrimefacFor {{Infobox university}}:motto, motto_lang, mottoeng are separate parameters with the mottolang added to the template surrounding the motto.

| label4 = Motto | data4 = {{#if:{{both|{{{motto|}}}|{{{motto_lang|}}}}}|<div lang="{{{motto_lang}}}">{{{motto}}}</div>|{{{motto|}}}}}Naraht (talk) 16:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alt name

I prefer Alternate Name to Alternative Name for the free_label, but it appears that right now things are tipped the other way (about 5 to 2). Feelings one way or the other?Naraht (talk) 21:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Other name" is shorter and doesn't have the spelling ambiguity. Primefac (talk) 12:38, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other name is fine with me. Rublamb (talk) 12:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All changed to Other name (or names). This time around (when september gets generated), I think I'll start actually look at the free_label entries. Naraht (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I have gone through all Free labels, Free labels 1, and Free labels 2. There are now none of the latter. The majority of free labels are now alternative names. When we get the November report, we can review and decide if we want to create a field for Other names. Rublamb (talk) 15:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal Motto Format

We have quite a few mottos here. As far as I can tell, they are either in Greek, Latin or English. I'd like to propose that the format used in the infobox be the same as the US Coast Guard. (US Marine Corps there is an article for their motto, so that's done oddly). US Coast Guard is {{unbulleted list|{{lang|la|Semper Paratus}}|Always ready}}. That puts the latin on one line, the english on the other and *NO* quote marks. Similarly if it is in greek then grc|greek words here in greek instead of the la|semper. English would simply be with no quotes.Naraht (talk) 20:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC),mlpo0l[reply]

Does tis also puts foreign language n quotes and English without quotes? Rublamb (talk) 21:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(think you are missing a few characters here). United States Coast Guard Latin is italics (no quotes), English is no italics no quotes.Naraht (talk) 23:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That format (italics for foreign language and no italics for English) matches MOS. Thus, I agree that should be our style. I am unsure about dropping quotation marks for mottos in English, as this is technically a quote. However, I agree it looks cleaner without quotation marks. Infobox University uses quotation marks for the English version. Of course, it has fields for Motto and Motto in English. That might be a good option for Infobox Fraternity because editors using VE would more easily be able to match the layout. Since we have a lot of overlap with UNI, it makes sense to follow their lead. I doubt we have much overlap with Infobox Military Units. As a side note, I wonder if we should order our colors to match Infobox UNI as well. Rublamb (talk) 00:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Logo

We currrently have fields for Coat of Arms and Crest that fill the main image of the infobox. However, we also use logos, badges, and buildings as the main photo if a crest/coat of arms is lacking. I suggest adding a varients for Logo and Other OR just Other. This would be more accurate and would make it easier to identify articles that have a badge or house photo but still need a crest/coat of arms. Right now, I am going through the list manually but in future would like to use something like Access to compare the monthly report's list against our Watchlist. Or the techologically brilliant ones may know a way to do with within Wikipedia. Either way, we cannot easily identify articles lacking a coat of arms/crest when another type of photo is using that field. Thoughts? Rublamb (talk) 15:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]