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Sources

Curious sources for this template. If the DAD-IS, then the DAD-IS for the USA was put together quite poorly. While some breeds have had bloodline deviations occur once imported to the USA, it's generally not a good idea to content fork a bloodline group. (Shetland pony a case in point, also, just because someone content forked an article doesn't mean it's a different breed ). Montanabw^(talk) 21:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Montanabw, I'm well aware of your opinion of the USDA reporting to DAD-IS, and share your misgivings; I took that into account when starting this. The template is drawn from List of North American horse breeds, which is fairly well sourced – except for a few breeds which I found in Category:Horse breeds originating in the United States (I assume those articles have at least some kind of sourcing, but haven't checked them individually). I've no reason to believe that Canada's reporting to DAD-IS is any less reliable than that of any other country, and I'm certain that the sixth edition of Mason is a reliable source by our standards. Even so, I've not (yet) added every minor (cross-)breed that it lists (the Desert Norman Horse is one that I remember skipping). As we have agreed in the past, red links in a navbox are a useful stimulus to article creation, so I don't see either removing them or piping them to somewhere beyond Alpha Centauri as particularly useful; in some cases they may indicate that a page should be moved. That said, there are clearly some duplicates; I'll try to remove a few of those.

Re Mexico etc below: I'd thought of making another template for central America, but should probably put some time into sorting this out first. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. My thoughts:

I'll look at your List of North American horse breeds and comment there. Quite seriously, most stuff redlinked is redlinked for a very good reason. Montanabw^(talk) 17:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't worked on the horse breeds category much at all, so no, I doubt anyone did any kind of sourcing. They probably just looked at the articles at the time they did the categories. Thus, it's not a reliable source. Remind me (again) which work is "Mason?" Some "breed" encyclopedias are a lot like Lyndhaug, they just copy over breed standards from various registries without checking to see if the "registry" is five people who got ticked off that the ex-wife of the president of the other breed registry ran off and took all the designer crossbreds with her. Canada may be a bit more careful than the US in their DAD-IS recording, but I still can't get past "broomtail" being considered a "breed" for the USA DAD-IS (it's an insult, actually...) Montanabw^(talk) 17:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Per Mexico, etc., the issue is that on this side of the "pond," many Mexican people will point out, forcefully, that Mexico is part of North America. (WikiConference North America was in fact held in Mexico one year, in conjunction with WikiMania, if memory serves) In terms of geography, Central America is technically part of North America. On the other hand, there's an equally compelling argument that Latin America (including Mexico, Central America, South America and the Caribbean) is a distinct cultural region (sort of like the Middle East) and as such is another logical grouping. I think you did a navbox for individual South American nations already, though? Anyway, I'm not sure I have a strong opinion one way or the other (yet), and maybe the thing to do is to research the issue and see if there is such a thing as a consensus or house style for these matters on WP. Montanabw^(talk) 17:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As far as piping and moves goes, I'd say if there's a need for a move, then put up the move template, otherwise leave it piped ("American Belgian" would be a content fork of Belgian, for example. Ditto "American Shetland." Sure, there are some different bloodline groups, but not sufficient to make one decent article into a couple of stubs. I'm of very mixed feelings about the American Drum Horse article, but I also don't care enough to argue about it).
Piping to Alpha Centauri, I see your point, but where we have a mention of a breed somewhere, it's worth noting that it's mentioned (Like the wild horses in Alberta) so that we don't wind up with stuff like three articles on the same breed... maybe a redlink could also have a see notation to point to what mentions exist. Montanabw^(talk) 17:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Naming

Is there a separate template for Mexico? If not, maybe consider making this one for North America as a whole... many of the Colonial Spanish Breeds actually came up via Mexico. Just a thought. Montanabw^(talk) 21:17, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mexico/Central America

Whether part of this template or a separate one, starting a list of North American breeds with origins south of the Rio Grande or the Caribbean:

Galiceno
Azteca
Paso Fino (Puerto Rican bloodline group)