Template talk:History of Israel

Seriously?

This section was originally located at User talk:Triggerhippie4

I'd spent sometimes to read the history of Israel to get the ideas of what had happened in the area of modern Israel. Then what was left was to create the history template. But now I looked at your edits, I must say you have COMPLETELY destroyed all my efforts. To me, you had COMPLETELY ruined the template. My original is perfect both in date and line and format. But your version looks somewhat like a mess. Your version also makes it as if it has a lot of gap in history.

I have an intention to create the template focusing on historical governments/periods, NOT some kinds like conflicts, UN Plan or Declaration of Independence. Just tell me, what is it wrong with my original contents and formats? ༆ (talk) 02:57, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Template {{History of Israel}} should cover not all the periods of the area (for that see {{History of Palestine}}), but the topics important in the context of the history of the Jews in the Land of Israel, I think. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 09:24, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

And template {{Region history}} has no collapsible lists options so format with dates would make it too large. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 09:49, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Bireient idea Triggerhippie4. You figured out how to have a useful Israel template without it being a duplicate Palestine template. I created {{History of the Palestinian territories}}, (modeled after {{History of South Korea}}) but nether {{History of the Palestinian territories}} nor {{History of South Korea}} tries to duplicate {{History of Korea}} or {{History of Palestine}}. I didn't see a way to have an Israel template without it being a duplicate Palestine template, but you did. Still we should do something to clarify the scope of the template, I misunderstood it and thought it was a duplicate Palestine one.

༆'s version looks like a duplicate {{History of Palestine}} except with the scope somewhat narrowed down to governance. If {{History of Palestine}} doesn't focuses enough on governance, then it needs to be fixed, we shouldn't create a duplicate one. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

About clarifying the scope I have an idea on how to do that. Not sure if it's a good idea but maybe we can modify it into a good idea. Aslo {{History of the Palestinian territories}} could probably be expanded to cover Arab history in Palestine that predates the Palestinian territories. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

It looks like you based the Israel temple on the History of Israel article and if your intension was for the templerate to be more about the History of the Jews in the Land of Israel, I think that was the wrong approach. Aough the "History of Isreal" article's first sentence says "The history of Israel encompasses the history of the modern State of Israel, as well as that of the Jews in the Land of Israel." that sentence which tries to narrow the article's scope to the Jewish history is a resent change, and the article focuses on the whole history of the region, not just the Jewish history (till it gets to the State of Israel period). By basing the template on that article you mediated it focus more on the region as a whole rather then the Jewish history which I gather was not your intension. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Triggerhippie4, I hope you don't mind but I'm going to move this section to the template talk page. You haven't edited in a while and I'm about to make a major edit to the template to reflect it's scope, and unless this discussion is on the talk page my edit would look like a undiscussed major change that went against it's intended scope. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I made edits, because I think that template should link to existing articles, not subsections. It already has link to History of the Jews in the Land of Israel. No need for repeating links to it's subsections. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 13:37, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I've started rearranging this. there are centain themes that need to be covered: Jewish presence post the destruciton history of the bible histoory of judaism as a religion in israel arab history and the cursades

trying to get it into shape. I haven't yet finished but I'm at work and have no time.