Template talk:Current British dukes

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Should not the heading be called Precedence of British dukes better, to point more out according to which basis the order goes? ~~ Phoe _talk 12:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC) ~~ [reply]

Precedence of Duke of Edinburgh

By Royal Warrant of 15 September 1952 the Duke of Edinburgh was assigned precedence immediately after the Queen except where otherwise provided by Act of Parliament - effectively, in every case except when sitting as a member of the House of Lords - and therefore ranks ahead of the heir-apparent, the Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay, who would otherwise be next after the Sovereign. The only Dukes who have sat in the House of Lords since 1999 are the 17th and 18th Dukes of Norfolk (ex officio as Earls Marshal) and the 8th Duke of Montrose (elected), so Edinburgh should be ahead of Cornwall and Rothesay in the order of precedence adopted in this template. Opera hat 18:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But surely that applies to the Prince in and of himself, not his dukedom, whose precedence we here debate... The Dukedoms of Cornwall and Rothesay are still the premier royal dukedoms because they are the eldest, they are the eldest son's, and they are almost constantly in existence... From that, I would argue the dukedoms of C&R outrank the dukedom of Edinburgh... D B D 00:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But the template is "British dukes", not "British dukedoms". A list of British dukedoms in order would be substantially different from the one presently in the template - Hamilton and Brandon would be listed separately, for a start. Opera hat 17:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and, come to think of it, should not the Duke of Lancaster be on here? D B D 01:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Duke of Lancaster is of course not a peerage title, but rather a title accorded by tradition to the Sovereign within the Duchy of Lancaster. If you want the template to be about dukedoms rather than Dukes, the Dukedom of Lancaster hasn't existed since 1399. Opera hat 17:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I mean since 1413. Opera hat 17:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Argyll & Argyll

The Duke of Argyll was listed as "Argyll & Argyll". Although he does hold two dukedoms of that name (one in the Peerage of Scotland, created 1701, and one in the Peerage of the United Kingdom, created 1892) as they both refer to the same place the title is not repeated. The titles of the Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield do refer to separate Mansfields, so that's why the name is repeated in his case. Opera hat (talk) 17:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]