Template talk:1500sProtestantwomen

Role of three particular women

I think these three women should be re-added to the template. Here are summaries for their involvement in the Reformation.

Christina supported a Crypto-Calvinist and backed Matthiae against adopting the Book of Concord, successfully opposing the request of the clergy to do so in 1647. https ://peoplepill.com/people/christina-of-sweden/

Anna Maria of the Palatinate -- opposed Calvinism in favor of Lutheranism. She became married only on the condition she would be allowed to practice Lutheranism in Sweden, which was ruled by Catholic-sympathizing John III. Her article states "Charles described her as more educated in religion than anyone to be found, and she is believed to have affected Charles to adopt an even stronger pro-Lutheran political view."

Augusta of Denmark -- walked by foot to a Lutheran church when the vicar was replaced by a Calvinist... once widowed she fired him and reinstated the previous Lutheran vicar, Jacob Fabricius. She also supported Anna Ovena Hoyer, a Schwenkfeldian--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

I assume you speak of the articles I removed today. I did not remove queen Christina (recently that is, I may have done so earlier), who you discuss above, but Christina Gyllenstierna, which are two different people. However: queen Christina lived over a hundred years after the reformation, she had thus nothing to do with the reformation and can therefore not be in a template about the reformation, regardless of her religious activities. Anna Maria of the Palatinate: it was not uncommon for a foreign princess to be allowed to practice her own faith in her husband's country, nor was it uncommon to be well educated in theology and the bible. Augusta of Denmark: she was an enthusiastic Lutheran, yes, but that does not mean that she played any significant part in the Protestant reformation.

Of course you can reinstate the names if you want to - and I don't have the time to participate in any discussion after this reply - but if this template, as well as the article about women of the reformation, is to be taken seriously and survive in the long run, you have to have strict guidelines about whom to include; and because the template/article is about notable women of the reformation, that should be women who actively participated in the reformation in some way, not just women who happened to be protestants, regardless of how convinced, because that was in no way uncommon and does not warrant a template or an article. --Aciram (talk) 02:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting me about Christina. I had originally added her because she was nearly successful at preventing the Stockholm Bloodbath. I searched her name and came up with the source about the later Christina, which then I described by mistake.

Anna Maria's marriage to Charles IX of Sweden occurred during the early years of the Liturgical Struggle--in which Sweden experienced a struggle between pro-Catholic and crypto-Calvinist elements. That she was a Lutheranizing influence on Charles IX is significant because during the struggle Sweden ended up Lutheran.

I am inclined to keep Christina off the template and wait for your continued ( or others' ) judgment about Augusta of Denmark. I will re-add Anna Maria right away.

The standard I had in mind when writing the template is that the women are Protestants and played a role in the Reformation. Three groups specifically listed are former nuns, those who were executed, and theological writers. Some noblewomen played a role in influencing or deciding what religion her realm would be. I think they also fit, and included them under "other" because how this happened varied.

I agree that mere affiliation is not sufficient.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 03:06, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

I removed the template from the bottom of Christina Gyllenstierna.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 03:10, 3 November 2020 (UTC)