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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 14:48, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

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Yosef Shenberger

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Created by Havradim (talk). Self-nominated at 22:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC).

  • Apologies for unlearned contribution (I've very little DYK experience) the first option doesn't work, as synagogues don't belong to architects ("his") and more fundamentally the proposed hook suggests that until he came along synagogues didn't have stained glass windows, when the idea has been around for centuries. The alt hook doesn't seem very interesting to me - a bridge instead of a ramp? Meh. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 14:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you for this comment Dweller. All I found regarding the Hurva so far is this quote: Today, a 16-meter-high stone arch erected by two architects in 1978 spans the space where the Hurva once stood, serving, together with the in situ remains and explanatory plaques, as a stark reminder of what was destroyed. [1] The "two architects" likely being a reference to the partners Shenberger and Katz (the former died in 1982 and the latter in 2016). While it is clear this reference cannot be used as a source, my research tools are currently limited, although I might be able to improve them soon. In regards to ALT0, the language I chose was due to brevity. Also, the article makes clear that while stained glass might not be a new idea, Shenberger encountered some opposition to the idea of including decorative elements in synagogues, due to some conservative leaders (rabbis?) believing they were a distraction to prayer. Please review the revised hook below; and because you said you are relatively unfamiliar with DYK, I am providing a link to the DYK reviewing guide for your convenience.
  • ALT0a ... that architect Yosef Shenberger overcame opposition to adding stained glass and other decorative elements to synagogues through his study of ancient ruins? Havradim leaf a message 00:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I note that a full review of the article has not yet been done. I shall review this from scratch, including hooks, to familiarise myself with the material. Storye book (talk) 13:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thank you, Havradim, for a fascinating article about an architect who cared about how historical buildings worked.

  • Two paragraphs in the article are not sourced at the ends.
  • ALT0: I disagree with the above comment that the word "his" is inappropriate here. It is common parlance to call an architect's designs and artworks "his" work. That does not imply that the land and the building are his own property. Also, the word "inspiration" does not imply that the architect did it first (i.e. used stained glass in synagogues first). A parallel example might be that lots of people have been inspired by Michelangelo's Laurentian Library, but that doesn't mean that they are – ahem – all the first to build another storey on top of walls and foundations that were never meant for it ... "Inspired" means that it's been done before, and you want to do it too. Just saying. There is nothing wrong with ALT0 and its citation, which is repeated in the article. I approve ALT0.
  • ALT0a: ALT0 didn't need to be replaced, but this alternative is fine, anyway. I approve ALT0a.
  • ALT1: There is nothing wrong with this ALT in respect of DYK rules, and its citation is OK. But it needs some hint of the architect's annoyance to be fun, I think. If you have a preference for ALT1, then please add a bit of that? However it's within the rules, so I approve ALT1.

Summary: Two paras need citations at the ends. If that issue can be resolved, then this nom will be good to go. Storye book (talk) 14:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

  • Havradim's last edit was June 23. If they return they can continue with this nomination. If not, is anyone interested in adopting this nom? Z1720 (talk) 12:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
    • Thank you Storye book for your insightful review, and Z1720 for your comment. While I have been busy off-wiki, I have been following this thread on and off. My only comment thus far is that the unreferenced sentences were translated from hewiki, and they were also unreferenced there. My guess is that those sentences ought to have references somewhere, although it may prove a bit difficult to find them, possibly existing in book form only. I believe that my mistake might have been in assuming that it was sufficient for DYK to have at least part of a paragraph referenced, but this appears not to be the case. From my point of view, it would be okay to simply remove those sentences if that's what it would take to move this nom along. Havradim leaf a message 16:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Havradim. I have removed the two uncited sentences at your request. However, I recommend that you put them on the talk page so that they are not forgotten, and so that maybe one day someone might find citations for them. Storye book (talk) 16:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Good to go, with ALT0, ALT0a or ALT1 - ALT0 preferred. Storye book (talk) 16:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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