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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 13:14, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Yogie Suardi Memet

Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 04:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: All good. Done a bit of editing on the spelling of the names. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:54, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

  • @Juxlos: How about adding something about his popular nickname and propose it as a hook? Is it plausible? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed for ALT2. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:04, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
    I understand the subject is deceased, but had he been alive, wouldn't ALT2 be a BLP violation? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
    @Narutolovehinata5: Sure, why do you ask? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 09:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
    I'm not very comfortable with the use of "thugs" in that hook. I understand it technically would be fine since the subject is deceased, but I can't help but feel that it would still go against the spirit of the rule (i.e. for hooks to avoid emphasizing negative aspects about a subject). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
    As long as it's verifiable and follows a neutral POV, I really don't see why we couldn't. We can't apply BLP-based rules to subjects that don't fall under BLP. Now, if you wanted to argue that the hook breaks NPOV, that's a different matter. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 09:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
  • Reviewer still needed for ALT2. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
  • BlueMoonset, I've had a look at the source but page 156 doesn't show as a full page; I only get it in snippet view when I search for "thug". And that snippet doesn't offer me enough context to sign off on this. Google Books is often more restricted in NZ than what users get to see in North America or Europe. Does the full page show for others? Schwede66 22:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Schwede66, interesting. I had looked at page 156 in the book when I updated the reference in the article on March 11 to give the page number, and was able to view the page through Google books (but only via the old version), confirming that it supported the whole sentence being cited, and also that "thugs" was the word used in the book. If you search for "Memet", the previous page also alludes to the events. Unfortunately, I cannot view that section of the book now, and don't know why, but I suspect it's because I didn't switch immediately to the old version of Google books but instead tried to scroll to page 156, though it may simply be that they've cracked down further on how much of the book is visible, stopping in the 70s. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:31, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
  • BlueMoonset So you’ve seen it but can’t give it a tick and I can AGF it, which I’m comfortable with given that you’ve seen it. That should be ok but say if you don’t concur. Schwede66 04:46, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
The source is available at Open Library; it does use "thugs" but also "dissidents" if we want a more neutral term. (It also provides the detail that the disruption involved crashing a jeep into the conference building, which could be an interesting hook if it were worked into the article.) Sojourner in the earth (talk) 10:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for that, Sojourner in the earth. ALT2 checks out. "Thugs" should be ok as the book says "the minister called in the thugs of the previous day" and it was the second day when they caused some real issues. I do agree, however, that crashing a jeep into the building would make an even better hook. Juxlos, are you sure that the person's common name is "Yogie Suardi Memet"? He is referred to as "Yogie Memet" in the book. Schwede66 09:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Confident, as most Indonesian sources use the middle name. Juxlos (talk) 10:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)