Template:Did you know nominations/William Verbeck

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:03, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

William Verbeck

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William Verbeck in 1911

... that William Verbeck (pictured), who served as Adjutant General of the New York National Guard, was born in Nagasaki, Japan, to Dutch missionaries? "William Verbeck, Educator, is Dead; General and Former Commander of New York National Guard, Succumbs at 69. Headed Manlius School - In 1927 He Was Made Commander of Crown of Italy -- Received Citizenship by Legislative Act". The New York Times. 1930-08-25. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2019-11-24.

Reviewed: Sara Wesslin

Created by Eddie891 (talk) and Evrik (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 04:20, 25 November 2019 (UTC).

Date, size, refs, neutrality, copyvio spotcheck, etc. all GTG, the only issue is the hook, which focuses on his parents/birth, not his achievements. Can we get something about him that is more interesting that saying he was born to parents from Foo1 and Foo2 countries, which is essentially a boring trivia (no disrespect)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:46, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Alt1 ~~... that William Verbeck (pictured), emigrated to the United States in 1879, served as Adjutant General of the New York National Guard from 1910 to 1913, and became a U.S. citizen in 1929?~~ --evrik ^(talk) 20:30, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
--evrik ^(talk) 20:30, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

GTG now. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

@Piotrus: I came by to promote this, but is a resume-style hook better than the original? Anyway, everything I need to know about him is in the hook, so no need to click on it. Better hook wording is needed here. Yoninah (talk) 21:54, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

I liked the original hook. --evrik ^(talk) 04:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Me too. Striking the ALT. Yoninah (talk) 12:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

I know that there's some push against "person A from country B was born in country X" hooks, but an American being born in Nagasaki during that timeframe sounds fairly unusual. If the year of birth could be added to the hook then that might help raise hook interest. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:19, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

I suggest we leave the original hook alone. Restoring tick from Piotrus' review. Yoninah (talk) 12:35, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this, and moved all the uncontroversial cites out of the lead. The page seems very skimpy on detail. There is no cite for his death date, or for his sibling relationship. Yoninah (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I added cites for both - though you have to read through all of the dissertation I added as a reference to piece together the number. --evrik ^(talk) 22:56, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Restoring tick. Yoninah (talk) 23:02, 6 January 2020 (UTC)