Template:Did you know nominations/Willem Botha
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The result was: promoted by — Amakuru (talk) 22:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
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Willem Botha
[edit]- ... that South African Willem Botha adapted the 2008 Latvian Eurovision entry as an Afrikaans song for the Springboks rugby team and was a part of the 2013 Belarusian Eurovision entry? Source: Netwerk
- Reviewed: Archie Mountbatten-Windsor
- Comment: For 18 May (2019 Eurovision finals)
Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 10:14, 9 May 2019 (UTC).
Interesting facts, on good sources, Afrikaans sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. - Article: I am new to the topic, and the article gives me no idea what "runner-up of Afrikaanse Idols" means. If "Afrikaanse Idols" is the name of something, shouldn't it be italic? The article is borderline-long-enough, so a bit of explanion might be good. - Hook: it's longish, with items that are not related to each other. I think we can drop Afrikaans, for something written by a South African for a the national team. Why don't you say "first South African to participate in the Eurovision - with a link please? Perhaps only that? Looks strange and interesting enough to me to make me curious about the person. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I have added the italics. The two are related as they both cover Eurovision (which I am trying to coincide this with). I am not including that as I know the nitpickers will go in the source and argue that South African dual-nationals competed before so I am happy to stick with the original. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- OK, let's take it from there. Do we have to tell our readers that 2013 is later than 2018? - Article questions: this whole concept of Idols is unfamiliar to me, and I'd like some explanation without having to click on a link. - I we can't be certain that he was the first South African, we should not say so in the article either. How do you feel about an infobox? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:59, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I think you're missing the he released the album in the same year as Hi Hi Ho, it's not connected to the 2013 statement. There is already a note citing the ambiguity of the first South African as the source has it. I have added info on Idols which should be enough for the green tick please @Gerda Arendt:. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:30, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I must be blind for something, because I don't see how "later" adds anything to the hook. How about also a comma after "team", and the link for Eurovision. There are readers who don't known and Idols, and others who don't know what Eurovision means. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Oh I see, you didn't make it clear you were referring to the hook (which doesn't even mention Idols). I'd rather not link Eurovision as I think it is well known enough worldwide (Australia takes part in it!) which I think would be WP:OLINK. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 19:00, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
enjoy --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- @The C of E:, I agree with @Gerda Arendt: that the word Eurovision needs some kind of link. Along the lines of Supplementary Rule C2: "Don't assume everyone worldwide knows what country or sport you're talking about." Probably not a good idea to assume everybody know what Eurovision is. I certainly didn't, and my initial thought was that it must be a political movement like Brexit. Doing a Wikipedia search, Eurovision (network) is a TV network in Switzerland. It needs a link, please. — Maile (talk) 14:43, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Maile66: OK fine. I have added the link, seems a very minor thing to put the question mark symbol on when it could easily have been sorted when it was put in the prep. Please would you be able to restore the tick? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:05, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Oh I see, you didn't make it clear you were referring to the hook (which doesn't even mention Idols). I'd rather not link Eurovision as I think it is well known enough worldwide (Australia takes part in it!) which I think would be WP:OLINK. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 19:00, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I must be blind for something, because I don't see how "later" adds anything to the hook. How about also a comma after "team", and the link for Eurovision. There are readers who don't known and Idols, and others who don't know what Eurovision means. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I have added the italics. The two are related as they both cover Eurovision (which I am trying to coincide this with). I am not including that as I know the nitpickers will go in the source and argue that South African dual-nationals competed before so I am happy to stick with the original. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
