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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 23:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Closing as unacceptable at DYK; yet another attempt by The C of E to get the N-word onto the main page. In the unlikely event that the article survives its merge, a request can be made at WT:DYK to reopen this nomination for further consideration.

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Nigger Love a Watermelon, Ha! Ha! Ha!

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  • Reviewed: Klondikia
  • Comment: The title is not pleasant I know, but I have strongly diminished its use in the article to avoid it being GRATUITOUS whilst respecting NOTCENSORED and made sure the hook was negative about this revealing 100 year old snippet of history.

Moved to mainspace by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 10:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC).

  • To paraphrase what Jayron32 and Joe Roe said back in March at ANI, this looks like yet another one of The C of E's objectively, deliberately inflammatory breaching experiments. I'm vetoing this hook under the September 2020 restrictions still in place: "Any independent reviewer may veto hooks nominated by The C of E, without further opportunity for appeal. If a hook is vetoed, The C of E must offer a substantially different alternative, or have the nomination may be rejected." —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:21, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
  • <facepalm> This again? <sigh> --Jayron32 14:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
  • I can assure you @Bloom6132: that is not the case. It's a historical piece of music yes with an abhorrant title but it is a revealing snippet of life in America back then. If the issue is the name, we can change that for the hook to a description. Rest assured I did everything in my power to reduce the amount of times that that title was used (indeed only once in the actual article). So we could change it to ALT1... that "a 1916 racist song by Charles C. Browne" is believed to have been the inspiration for some ice cream van jingles? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Revealing of what? That early 20th century America was racist? I don't think that's news to anyone, and if it was, they'd be much better served reading an article like racism in the United States than this pointless, decontextualised trivia. Your alternative hook is also flatly contradicted by the article itself. – Joe (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Vetoing ALT1 as well for inaccuracy. Article has been proposed for merger and cannot run at DYK until that discussion is closed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
(ec) That's a co-incidence, I just nominated an article where the subject got fired for his comments about a play whose original title had that word in it. As for my review,
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: No - I haven't checked the hook, because I'm not using it. I might have proposed something like "that because of the association with a subsequent racist song that used its melody, a number of American ice cream van companies ceased to use the "Turkey in the Straw" melody for their jingles" but when I checked the source given in the article it didn't say that.

QPQ: No - Not seeing one. You have literally hundreds of DYK credits and so should know to provide one. However… Retracted per below.
Overall: This article is highly unlikely to survive the current merge discussion. On the off-chance it survives, someone else can provide another hook.--Launchballer 16:15, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

@Launchballer: To be fair, The C of E did list Klondikia above as his QPQ. But that still doesn't change the fact that this nom is problematic and should be rejected. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
My apologies, I think I missed it because it was piped. I was expecting to see the words 'Template:Did you know nominations/" on the page. (I assume this doesn't count as a QPQ?)--Launchballer 16:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
@Launchballer: Usually when you just enter the name in the template when you create a nom, it automatically shortens it for you. If you're putting it on hold pending the merge, would it not be better to use the "DYK?again" template rather than the no/rejected template? I can do an alt pending the merge discussion. ALT2 ... that Dr. Demento refused to play a 1916 song by Harry C. Brown on the radio because he felt it was hateful? 21:55, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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