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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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Upāli

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Statue of Upāli at Bodh Gaya
Statue of Upāli at Bodh Gaya
  • ... that Upāli, the disciple of the Buddha who was most learned in monastic discipline, used to be a simple barber? Source:"Originally, Upāli had been a low-caste barber in the service of the Śākyan princes." (Mrozik 2004)

5x expanded by Farang Rak Tham (talk) and Spasemunki (talk). Nominated by Farang Rak Tham (talk) at 22:38, 25 February 2020 (UTC).

  • I am interesting in reviewing this nomination, but I find the proposed hook a bit bland. If the most learned Buddha had been a barber, I could see that as interesting. But since it was his disciple who was the barber, it is less interesting. Are there other hooks which could be proposed? Flibirigit (talk) 07:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Flibirigit, how about ALT1 ... that Upāli, the learned low-caste disciple of the Buddha, was ordained before his friends of royal blood, in order to humble their pride?
--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 09:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
  • That sounds more interesting, although I'm not completely sure what it means yet. I will try to get around to the review within a day or two. Flibirigit (talk) 02:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
  • not completely sure what it means Flibirigit, what part isn't clear yet?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 10:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Since I know nothing about Buddhism, all of it is unclear until I finish reading the article. I will get back to you when I have completed it. Flibirigit (talk) 11:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough as the fivefold expansion was completed from February 20 to 25, and nominated same day. Length and sourcing are adequate. No issues found for neutrality or plagiarism. The photo in this nomination is clear at a low resolution, used in the article, and all photos in the article are properly licensed. QPQ requirement is met. The proposed hooks are both verified with the citations inline. After reading the article, I learned that being a barber was a despised profession. I think many would not be aware of this fact. Is there some way to adjust ALT0 to convey this? ALT1 is also interesting. I'm curious about how to interpret "humble their pride". Would that be similar to instill humility? Flibirigit (talk) 02:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

After reading the article ... this fact. Still, I don't think the main hook would be interesting enough. Let's park this for now.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
ALT1 is also interesting ... instill humility? Yes, that's similar. They were proud of their royal blood, in which they differed from Upāli. It's not peculiar English, as far as I am aware.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Pinging reviewer.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 13:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Approving ALT1. It is interesting to a broad audience, properly cited inline, and verified with the cited sources. Article adherees to all other DYK criteria as mentioned above. Willing to revisit ALT0 if needed. Flibirigit (talk) 03:37, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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