Talk:Upāli

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Review: March 9, 2020. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Upāli appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 April 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Upāli (statue pictured), the Buddha's learned low-caste disciple, was ordained before his friends of royal blood to humble their pride?

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Very nice that it seems to be ok to use the discriptions of the Pali Proper Names dictionary. I wonder: maybe it would be good to have a template to indicate this, as is done with the old edition of the Encyclopedia Brittannica? But before this happens, we need to be sure it is definitively all right to do so. Greetings, Sacca 07:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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There was a domestic airline called Upali in Sri Lanka during the 1980s. It is not included among the defunct airlines of Sri Lanka and it has no page. Please provide information and open a page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohonu (talk • contribs)

@Mohonu: I found a mention of this in an encyclopedia, but no evidence that it was named after Upāli. It appears more likely to me that it was named after a Sri Lankan Upāli instead.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 09:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Statue of Upāli at Bodh Gaya

... that Upāli, the disciple of the Buddha who was most learned in monastic discipline, used to be a simple barber? Source:"Originally, Upāli had been a low-caste barber in the service of the Śākyan princes." (Mrozik 2004)

Reviewed: Did you know nominations/Reflective writing

5x expanded by Farang Rak Tham (talk) and Spasemunki (talk). Nominated by Farang Rak Tham (talk) at 22:38, 25 February 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I am interesting in reviewing this nomination, but I find the proposed hook a bit bland. If the most learned Buddha had been a barber, I could see that as interesting. But since it was his disciple who was the barber, it is less interesting. Are there other hooks which could be proposed? Flibirigit (talk) 07:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Flibirigit, I got to get back to you on this one.Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:14, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Flibirigit, how about ALT1 ... that Upāli, the learned low-caste disciple of the Buddha, was ordained before his friends of royal blood, in order to humble their pride?

--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 09:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds more interesting, although I'm not completely sure what it means yet. I will try to get around to the review within a day or two. Flibirigit (talk) 02:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

not completely sure what it means Flibirigit, what part isn't clear yet?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 10:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since I know nothing about Buddhism, all of it is unclear until I finish reading the article. I will get back to you when I have completed it. Flibirigit (talk) 11:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - ?

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough as the fivefold expansion was completed from February 20 to 25, and nominated same day. Length and sourcing are adequate. No issues found for neutrality or plagiarism. The photo in this nomination is clear at a low resolution, used in the article, and all photos in the article are properly licensed. QPQ requirement is met. The proposed hooks are both verified with the citations inline. After reading the article, I learned that being a barber was a despised profession. I think many would not be aware of this fact. Is there some way to adjust ALT0 to convey this? ALT1 is also interesting. I'm curious about how to interpret "humble their pride". Would that be similar to instill humility? Flibirigit (talk) 02:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the article ... this fact. Still, I don't think the main hook would be interesting enough. Let's park this for now.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 is also interesting ... instill humility? Yes, that's similar. They were proud of their royal blood, in which they differed from Upāli. It's not peculiar English, as far as I am aware.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging reviewer.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 13:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT1. It is interesting to a broad audience, properly cited inline, and verified with the cited sources. Article adherees to all other DYK criteria as mentioned above. Willing to revisit ALT0 if needed. Flibirigit (talk) 03:37, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Upāli/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 12:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

This is an elegantly-structured and cited article and I shall have few comments to make on it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The "1890 map" does not make it at all easy to see the Mahāvihāra, or the Mahavihara as it is labelled, very small. Perhaps if you asked me nicely I would make an .SVG with a red circle overlaid on the map; other solutions are possible.

That'll be great! I would very much appreciate that. I am not familiar with making SVGs.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done.

The "Painting of the First Council, India" should ideally have provenance, artist, and (approximate) date in the caption. Even "20th century mural" would be an improvement.

Searching......--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. From searching on Google, it seems the paintings were made and installed between 1983 and 1997. So i've given a rough time indication in the caption to that effect.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 05:30, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not totally sure I see why we need an image of Tao-hsüan; perhaps the caption could briefly summarize the text which explains the connection, something like "The Chinese Vinaya school co-founded by Tao-hsüan attempted to continue Upāli's lineage."

Fixed.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any good reason why Andrew Huxley is repeatedly redlinked (text and references)?

I noticed quite extensive obituaries were written about him, but I haven't checked him against SCHOLAR criteria yet.
From these obituaries[1][2] and other websites, I gather he was sufficiently notable for his own Wiki article. (But I won't lose my sleep over it, since I once listened to the lecture in which he completely degraded TW Rhys Davids, and it seems to me he was just an arrogant Oxford don with no respect for his predecessors.)--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 00:57, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have redlinked H.W. Schumann. You could use an interlanguage link to de:Hans Wolfgang Schumann on German wiki.

I thought I did that. Is it incorrectly formatted?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I meant in the citation. I've removed the plain redlink; I saw somewhere the template to use an interlanguage link in a citation but can't find it.

I think we're all done. This is a worthy Good Article. Passing it now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:13, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all your input... and help!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

The Przyluski 1932 refs don't match the Przyluski 1926 source.

Ray 1999 similarly doesn't match the Ray 1994 source.

Greenberg 2008 is unused.

van Zeyst 1961 is unused.

Fixed all.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:58, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.