Template:Did you know nominations/Univel
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by CSJJ104 (talk) 20:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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Univel
- ... that Univel was a joint venture of Unix System Laboratories and Novell, but did not last long before the latter bought the former? Source: fns 1,2, 3 in article
- ALT1: ... that Univel was an early 1990s attempt to compete with Microsoft, but one industry consultant said "They're dreaming on the client"? Source: fn 5 in article
- ALT2: ... that in the early 1990s, Univel put out a version of the Unix operating system that did not include TCP/IP for networking? Source: fn 10 in article
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Swiss Youth Symphony Orchestra
5x expanded by Wasted Time R (talk). Self-nominated at 00:03, 10 September 2022 (UTC).
As far as I can tell, ALT1 probably has the most promise here considering the Microsoft connection, but I'm not sure if "They're dreaming on the client" is phrasing that non-techies would understand. ALT0 may also be possible if the point (that Novell bought USL) was made much clearer (with the current wording it's admittedly easy to miss). I suggest dropping ALT2 as it's too tech-centric and wouldn't make sense to readers who don't know what TCP/IP is. Another possible suggestion I could suggest could be to focus on the quote about the company being a "it was a nightmare and no one loved it" angle. I could also suggest that it was an attempt to market a Unix-on-desktop OS, but I think that may also be too techy-centric.
- As for the article itself, it lacks close paraphrasing and was nominated on time of the 5x expansion. All hooks are cited inline and either verified or AGF sourced to offline sources. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:49, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the review and the thoughts on the hooks. I don't want to use the 'nightmare' quote because I don't know if it was really representative of how people felt about it. But here are rewordings of each hook to try to accommodate your comments:
- ALT0b: ... that Univel was a joint venture of Unix System Laboratories and Novell, but did not last long before one of the companies bought the other?
- ALT1b: ... that Univel was an early 1990s attempt to compete with Microsoft on the desktop, but one industry consultant said "They're dreaming"?
ALT2b: ... that in the early 1990s, Univel put out a version of the Unix operating system that did not include normal access to the Internet?
- See if any of these seem better to you. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:58, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- I do hope you don't mind if I chime in, as I've been watching this nom for the last couple days – I'd say that ALTs 1b and 0b are decent, with some preference for the former. ALT2b feels like it oversimplifies a bit, to the point of running into WP:V problems I wouldn't wanna deal with. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I felt iffy about ALT2b as I was doing it, so I'm striking it. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I guess we're good to go with ALT0b and ALT1b. ALT0b's sources are verified, ALT1b's source is accepted AGF. I have a slight preference for ALT1b but I'll leave the final choice to the promoter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I felt iffy about ALT2b as I was doing it, so I'm striking it. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- I do hope you don't mind if I chime in, as I've been watching this nom for the last couple days – I'd say that ALTs 1b and 0b are decent, with some preference for the former. ALT2b feels like it oversimplifies a bit, to the point of running into WP:V problems I wouldn't wanna deal with. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the review and the thoughts on the hooks. I don't want to use the 'nightmare' quote because I don't know if it was really representative of how people felt about it. But here are rewordings of each hook to try to accommodate your comments:
