Template:Did you know nominations/The Widows of Culloden

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 22:23, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

The Widows of Culloden, Illusion of Kate Moss

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... that the runway show for the Alexander McQueen collection The Widows of Culloden ended with an illusion of Kate Moss that brought the audience to tears? Sources: A Man of Darkness and Dreams, Vanity Fair; Alexander McQueen: Blood Beneath the Skin, p 300
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Created by Premeditated Chaos (talk). Self-nominated at 05:49, 29 November 2022 (UTC).

Reviewing... Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:41, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - see comments
Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Premeditated Chaos: Good article. However, i'm not seeing where in the sources you've provided that the illusion of Kate Moss brought the audience to tears. Could you explain? Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:45, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

It's right on page 300 in Blood & Tears. "Kerry Youmans remembers, soon after arriving at the venue, being asked by Lee whether he had seen the hologram. ‘When I said that I hadn’t, he told me to come and sit with him,’ he said. ‘We sat and watched the hologram and it was so moving because he was so moved by it. And during the show itself I saw members of the audience in tears.’— " (Realized after the fact that the Vanity Fair source was to confirm Youmans' status, not the tears bit, so ignore it. Shouldn't have put it in the DYK but that's what I get for wrangling 100+ sources across two articles) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:21, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Onegreatjoke ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:49, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
  @Premeditated Chaos: Alright. Though, the source does make the hook not completely correct. Saying that The audience was brought to tears makes it seem like everyone in the audience was tearing up, not some. You should say in the hook that some members of the audience teared up rather than the audience. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
  I think you're being overly picky about the wording. When someone says that "the audience" did X, I don't think there's an expectation that they verify that every single person watching the show did that thing or else it's an incorrect statement. It's understood to be a generalization. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
  I know i'm being picky but DYK is extremely picky with its hook wording sometimes so that's why i'm picky with this. I guess i'll approve though. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
  @Premeditated Chaos: Quick question: are we comfortable with repeating the claim in wikivoice? I mean, we're going off the recollection of McQueen's publicist, it's attributed inline in both the source and wiki article... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:45, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
  I don't have an issue with it, he was only McQueen's publicist at the time of the show, and if I recall correctly (on vacation and no access to my sources atm) he gave that description much later, after McQueen was dead anyway. (in other words - he wasn't working for him anymore and had no reason to exaggerate) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:12, 15 December 2022 (UTC)