Template:Did you know nominations/The Dakota

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:44, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

The Dakota

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The Dakota

• ... that Edward Severin Clark was bequeathed the Dakota in New York City when he was 12 years old? Source: Wing, William G. (May 10, 1961). "Its 95 Happy Tenants Want to Buy the Dakota". New York Herald Tribune. p. 14.
  • ALT1: ... that the Dakota in New York City was bequeathed to a 12-year-old while it was being built? Source: Wing, William G. (May 10, 1961). "Its 95 Happy Tenants Want to Buy the Dakota". New York Herald Tribune. p. 14.
  • ALT2: ... that The New York Times once said that no one left the Dakota permanently "unless it is feet first"? Source: Robertson, Nan (September 7, 1959). "The Fabulous Dakota Remains Symbol of Elegant Apartment Living Here; West Side Structure Was Opened in '81 -- Cost $2,000,000". The New York Times.
  • ALT3: ... that New York City's the Dakota have has been reproduced in Legoland and on tissue boxes? Source: Alpern, Andrew (2015). The Dakota: A History of the World's Best-Known Apartment Building. pp. 117-118.
  • ALT4: ... that at New York City's Dakota Apartments, instrumental lessons are prohibited and you cannot play musical instruments from 11 pm to 9 am? Source: Haughney, Christine (March 1, 2011). "Behind the Scenes at the Dakota". The New York Times.
  • ALT5: ... that at New York City's Dakota Apartments, residents are not allowed to throw away original decorations from their apartments? Source: Kane, Colleen (August 2, 2012). "The Dakota: New York's Most Exclusive Building". CNBC.
  • ALT6: ... that after John Lennon was killed outside his home at the Dakota, the building's cooperative board rejected several potential tenants because they were famous? Source: Colford, Paul D. (January 3, 1984). "The One, The Only... The Dakota". Newsday. pp. 78, 79, 80.
  • ALT7: ... that after John Lennon was killed outside his home at the Dakota, his widow Yoko Ono continued to live there, paying $12,566 a month in 1996? Source: Mason, Christopher (September 2, 1996). "West of Eden". New York Magazine. New York Media, LLC. p. 25.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Belle White
  • Comment: More hooks pending

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 18:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC).

•  Reviewing... Flibirigit (talk) 16:33, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - ?
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - see analysis below
• Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article was expanded more than fivefold beginning on May 11, and nominated within time on May 13. Length is adequate. The article is neutral in tone, and no plagiarism issues detected. All images used in the article have a free license on the Commons. The nominated image for the hook is used in the article, clear at a low resolution, and will greatly enhance the hook. The QPQ requirement has been completed. The sourcing is mostly well done, except for two quotes which need a citation as per WP:DYKCRIT. Will complete the review of hooks later today. Flibirigit (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Hooks analysis

• Yg ALT0 is interesting, properly mentioned and cited inline, and would be accepted by AGF.
• ? ALT1 is interesting, but it is not explicitly mentioned or cited within the same sentence. Although the hook is true, it requires the reader to put two facts together, which could be questioned at WP:ERRORS.
• Yg ALT2 is interesting, properly mentioned and cited inline, and would be accepted by AGF.
• Yg ALT3 is interesting, properly mentioned and cited inline, and would be accepted by AGF (I altered the hook from "have" to "has").
• ? ALT4 is interesting, properly mentioned and cited inline, and would be accepted by AGF, but the word "you" is troublesome since it states that the reader cannot do something, whereas it is the tenant of the apartment which cannot do something.
• N ALT5 is interesting, but the wording differs too much from the source to be verified. Compare the source which says "Residents are forbidden to throw away any original doors or fireplace mantels that they remove, and a storage area is provided for these items."
• N ALT6 is interesting, but the wording differs too much from the corresponding text in the article to be verified. Compare "The Dakota's board had rejected numerous high-profile personalities who had wanted to move into the building", which is not the same as "rejected several potential tenants because they were famous". Rejecting a high-profile person is not the same as rejecting someone because they are famous.
• Yg ALT7 is interesting, properly mentioned and cited inline, and would be accepted by AGF.

Overall, there are some minor concerns above, but this article is in great shape, and is a welcome contribution to Wikipedia. Flibirigit (talk) 21:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. I have crossed out ALT1, ALT4, ALT5, and ALT6 because of the issues you raised. (I've fixed the "original decorations" issue, but aren't original doors and fireplace mantels examples of original decorations?) As for the citation requests, they were both cited before the end of the paragraph. I have copied the ref names now. Epicgenius (talk) 04:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Specifically mentioning doors and mantels is best, since "original decorations" could be other things such as light fixtures, handrails, windows, plastering and so on. Thank you for duplicating the citations. I know it is a nuisance, but necessary for DYK. Flibirigit (talk) 10:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

ALT0, ALT2, ALT3 and ALT7 are all approved by AGF. The nomination now adheres to all DYK criteria, and would be great as a photo hook. Flibirigit (talk) 10:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC)