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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:21, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

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Take Your Partner by the Hand

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  • Comment: Given the state of Turn the Dark Off, I might try and expand it to 1,545 characters for another DYK credit. I'm still considering it, though, and assistance would be welcomed.

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 10:11, 12 February 2014 (UTC).

  • 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well-referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. However, I don't see the hook fact in the article; the connection isn't made that "thanks to Robbie Robertson", the vocals are coherent. Also, a QPQ needs to be done. Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • QPQ done. Have you checked the large 'background' quote?--Launchballer 23:05, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • OK, I read it again and I can see how you made the connection. Hook refs verified and cited inline. QPQ done. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:28, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm bothered by the word "thanks" in the hook, as it implies a value judgement (i.e., a POV). Can it be changed to something like "because of Robbie Robertson's contribution"? --Orlady (talk) 19:09, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that owing to Robbie Robertson, "Take Your Partner by the Hand" is the only song on Turn the Dark Off with coherent vocals?
You know what, I am going to expand Turn the Dark Off, this nomination can wait a day or two.--Launchballer 19:22, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
The word "owing" works for me. Thanks! Seeing that Turn the Dark Off is a minimal stub, I think it would be a good idea to wait for it to be expanded. Even if it doesn't become a double hook, this hook would be far better if there were a little more content about the album. --Orlady (talk) 19:29, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
When I said 'I am going to expand', I meant so it was DYK eligible, hence why I ask for a full couple of days.--Launchballer 19:48, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
IMO, double hooks are often a bad idea. Why not let this go forward as a single hook that happens to link to the other article, then nominate the album article separately when it's ready? --Orlady (talk) 21:14, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I disagree entirely, having had three double hooks of mine on the front page - Template:Did you know nominations/Melvin Bliss/Synthetic Substitution, Template:Did you know nominations/Wild Cub/Thunder Clatter and Template:Did you know nominations/Sexy Lady (Jessie J song). To be honest I've already made a start on expansion - I think it would be best if I expanded the article and then we decided what to do.--Launchballer 21:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't see the motivation for pursuing double hooks. Each individual article in a double hook gets less attention than it would if it ran in a single hook, double hooks often (although not in this case) are awkward or contrived due to the effort needed to shoe-horn two articles into one hook, and the DYK project has to do essentially twice as much work to fill just one slot on the main page. If the second article was ready two weeks ago when this hook was created, a dual hook would have been logical, but that's not the way things worked out. --Orlady (talk) 05:10, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
You said it would be better to wait until the article was expanded. I take the view that, as I would be expanding it anyway, I might as well go the whole nine yards.--Launchballer 14:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
How is the album article looking now?--Launchballer 18:02, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The album article is long enough now, and I see that it now reflects the hook, but if you want somebody to review it for the other DYK criteria, you are going to need to do another QPQ review. --Orlady (talk) 21:16, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Done.--Launchballer 21:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
  • QPQ is not done. If you haven't included an icon in your review (or actually reviewed any of the available hooks), then the review doesn't qualify for QPQ credit. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Adding icon here for clarity's sake; it's the standard one used when a QPQ remains to be completed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:10, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I've added an icon.--Launchballer 08:38, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • But it's the one icon that doesn't "grade" the review. Yes, you need to call for someone else to review the ALT hooks you proposed, but you're supposed to give the status of the review based on the article and original hook(s) (one of the first five icons: approval, approval AGF on sourcing, minor problem, significant problems, or such huge problems that it's unlikely to be fixable). You still need to do that, even if it also has to be followed by the "again" icon because your own hooks need reviewing. (And an actual review of the original hook is still in order; you've suggested a new one but not said anything about issues with the old.) BlueMoonset (talk) 14:45, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm lost, is that better?--Launchballer 14:51, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
The ALT1 hook is OK. It's just a very slight rewording of the original approved hook. The sole reason that this hook has not been passed to the main page is that Launchballer says he wants it to be a double hook (including article that is already linked in the hook), but he hasn't done a second QPQ yet and the second article hasn't yet been reviewed for DYK. IMHO, it's high time to quit waiting and move the approved hook to a prep area. --Orlady (talk) 17:51, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Another QPQ done, this time with a DYK? icon. In my honest opinion, you said to expand Turn the Dark Off; I've just gone the whole hog on it, and so it makes sense to include it.--Launchballer 19:20, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
  • 5x expansion verified for Turn the Dark Off. New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. ALT1 hook refs verified and AGF, and cited inline. QPQ done. I like the double hook. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:50, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
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