Template:Did you know nominations/St. Peter (rugby ground)
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
St. Peter (rugby ground)
[edit]- ... that St. Peter is within walking distance of Jersey Airport?
Created by The C of E (talk). Self nom at 14:02, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Request for clarification. The rugby ground is located in Saint Peter, Jersey. Many of the press articles talk of games being played at St. Peter, but it's not clear that they aren't simply referring to the city. The source cited for the hook fact makes no mention of the rugby ground being named "St. Peter." It says: "The JRFC clubhouse, Lord Jersey Stand and pitches are visible from the road on the opposite side to the Aero Club, a few minutes walk from the Airport on the main road to St Peters Village." Is the rugby field (as opposed to the village) actually named "St. Peter"? If so, can you identify the source establishing that fact? Thanks. Cbl62 (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Check the BBC sources (namely the first one). They say "at" St. Peter. If they were referring to the village, they'd have said "in" St. Peter. If that doesn't satisfy, I'll come up with an alternative. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- I did read that, and assumed it referred to the city. Ambiguous. Cbl62 (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Found one. It specifically says St. Peter Ground. Maybe a quickie rename might help? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:20, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, it refers to "their St Peter ground," not "St. Peter Ground." This is actually more consistent as an indicator that the ground is located at St. Peter rather than being named "St. Peter Ground." Based on the club's own website, it appears the main playing field is known as "Lord Jersey Stand." Isn't the club's own web site the best indicator of what the ground is called? Cbl62 (talk) 17:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed and it seems to say St Peter. I think Lord Jersey is the name of the new stand. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:34, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, it refers to "their St Peter ground," not "St. Peter Ground." This is actually more consistent as an indicator that the ground is located at St. Peter rather than being named "St. Peter Ground." Based on the club's own website, it appears the main playing field is known as "Lord Jersey Stand." Isn't the club's own web site the best indicator of what the ground is called? Cbl62 (talk) 17:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Found one. It specifically says St. Peter Ground. Maybe a quickie rename might help? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:20, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- I did read that, and assumed it referred to the city. Ambiguous. Cbl62 (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Check the BBC sources (namely the first one). They say "at" St. Peter. If they were referring to the village, they'd have said "in" St. Peter. If that doesn't satisfy, I'll come up with an alternative. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- I don't mean to be obstinate here, but even the further cite is unclear. If this facility is actually named "St. Peter Ground" (the title of the article), one would expect to find sources referring to it as such. Yet, a Google search reveals no hits for "St. Peter Ground," and only a couple for "St. Peter ground," and each of those can fairly be read to be a colloquial reference or to refer to a ground located in or at Saint Peter, Jersey. Cbl62 (talk)
- So then the old title would be better? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:59, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Switching the name of the article isn't the concern. What would help is to have a reliable source confirming that this is the actual name of the ground. Cbl62 (talk) 18:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Then it has no choice but to come down to the context of the way it's worded in sources. I have found another source that talks about playing "at" St. Peter. The use of the word "at" usually talks about at a ground (like this one). The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- The use of "at" rather than "in" is unpersuasive. Let me know when you've finished work on the article, including exhausting efforts to find reliable sources for the name of the ground. After you are finished, I'll take a fresh look, complete the review and make my final call. As of now, I don't think there's sufficient sourcing, so please do see what you can find. Cbl62 (talk) 18:28, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Well I suppose I have done all I can for it at the moment. I've managed to find a couple of sources that refer to St. Peter in a ground context and am running out of places to put them. The new channel island TV sources I think are some of the best examples as some of them (namely the national selection rules one) are accompanied by a video backing up the claim by calling the ground St. Peter. There is also now a Guernsey based newspaper also using St. Peter as terminology for the ground. I've gone throughbt the search engines and I believe done all I can to show that St. Peter is the correct name for the ground (although the lack of an alternative and the fact that St. Peter keeps coming up with "at" rather than "in" used in the sources would suggest to me that that is the name of the ground). The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 16:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
- The use of "at" rather than "in" is unpersuasive. Let me know when you've finished work on the article, including exhausting efforts to find reliable sources for the name of the ground. After you are finished, I'll take a fresh look, complete the review and make my final call. As of now, I don't think there's sufficient sourcing, so please do see what you can find. Cbl62 (talk) 18:28, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Then it has no choice but to come down to the context of the way it's worded in sources. I have found another source that talks about playing "at" St. Peter. The use of the word "at" usually talks about at a ground (like this one). The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Switching the name of the article isn't the concern. What would help is to have a reliable source confirming that this is the actual name of the ground. Cbl62 (talk) 18:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- So then the old title would be better? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:59, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
This nom concerns me. It does appear based on C of E's digging that the rugby ground is at least colloquially referred to as "St. Peter," though there's still not a truly solid source that such is the official name. The alt 1 hook strikes me as not sufficiently interesting. The original hook is just the opposite -- quite intriguing, but bordering on the "April Fool's Day" genre. Given the lack of solid sourcing for "St. Peter" even being the official name of the grounds, I tip slightly toward a "no" vote. That said, it's only a slight lean, and I would welcome opinions from other reviewers. Cbl62 (talk) 22:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
- The name has been sourced. Seems to require a review. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:04, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
My comments above were intended as a review. I used the ? to leave the discussion open in case anyone wanted to disagree. In my opinion, there is inadequate sourcing to indicate that "St. Peter" is the actual name of the rugby ground. It clearly is the name of the town where the rugby ground is located, and the cited sources can be interpreted as simply reflecting the name of the town where the ground is located. Also, the proximity of the ground to an airport is interesting only for its "April Fool's Day" appeal. Without solid sourcing, I vote to reject it. And the alt 1 hook suffers from the same sourcing problem and is not interesting, so I'd say no to that as well. The nominator has had 13 days to improve this since the original comments were left, did make an effort to do so, but IMO it still falls short. I suggest passing. Cbl62 (talk) 03:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- How about if it was moved to the April Fools Day one? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 06:38, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- There'd be even more need to prove that it is the correct name. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
