Template:Did you know nominations/South Bellevue station
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 17:22, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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South Bellevue station
- ... that drivers using the South Bellevue bus station often parked illegally on fire lanes and grass? Source: The Seattle Times, September 9, 1999
- ALT1: ... that indoor-rated tactile edge markers were installed outdoors at South Bellevue station and had to be removed? Source: The Seattle Times
- ALT2: ... that a plan to increase parking capacity at South Bellevue bus station using narrower stalls was rejected due to the width of modern vehicles? Source: The Seattle Times, October 5, 1999
- ALT3: ... that completion of South Bellevue station was delayed by over a year due to the COVID-19 pandemic and a workers' strike? Source: Sound Transit, August 2022
- Reviewed: Gallery (New Orleans)
5x expanded by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 06:26, 23 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/South Bellevue station; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article is new enough and long enough (5x expanded on Jan 22). The article is also neutrally and well written, appropriately sourced, and appears policy compliant. But, seriously, are we going to enforce our requirement that the hook "should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest"? If so, these proposed hooks don't come close. Logistical and parking enforcement issues at a future suburban light rail station are not likely considered remotely unusual or intriguing to residents of Bellevue let alone to readers with no special interest. Cbl62 (talk) 16:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- I do realize there's a subjective element in assessing "unusual or intriguing" to readers without special interest, and I have rarely rejected a hook on this basis (maybe twice in 15 years). Of course, if others truly believe one of the proposed hooks passes muster, or if the intriguing requirement has been deprecated, I can be overruled. Cbl62 (talk) 17:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Added an ALT3 and amended ALT1, but the comments above are unnecessarily hostile. While this might not be in your field of interest, I did try to find things that were unusual about the station and could be reliably sourced. There are dozens of other DYKs every month that don't cater to much beyond their subject interest and still run. SounderBruce 03:40, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- This light rail line has significant local interest, and is part of a long-anticipated extension to the Eastside of Seattle. Plenty of hooks that are mainly of local/regional interest run on DYK. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 06:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Full disclosure: I became aware of this nomination after an off-wiki message, but my opinions are solely my own and were reached independently. I don't see how the original hook isn't interesting, it seems eyecatching to me at least. I also don't think the relation to the local community is important with regards to a hook's interest, the point here is if it will be interesting to a broad audience or not, which in my opinion I think it does. Note that I am only referring to ALT0 as feel that ALT1 and ALT2 are more specialist, and I'm not too fond of "it's because of COVID" hooks so I am also not a fan of ALT3. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:49, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have no intent to pick on this hook or its nominator (who has undeniably created a well-written and worthwhile article), but there is a general tendency toward not enforcing the interestingness requirement. Some articles (including some well-written articles, like this one) just don't have good hooks, and we should only be submitting our work to DYK if there's a hook that is genuinely unusual or intriguing. The issue isn't whether the light rail line has
significant local interest
. The issue is whether a hook about parking issues at the former bus station causing people to park illegally (or about a procurement error in installing the wrong tactile edge markers) is unusual or intriguing. There are many establishments in my own city with inadequate parking causing people to park illegally or in fire lanes. That happens all the time and everywhere and is IMO neither unusual or intriguing. But, hey, User:Narutolovehinata5, if you genuinely believe that the alt0 hook about the old bus station causing people to park in a fire lane is "unusual" or "intriguing", feel free to overrule me. Cbl62 (talk) 11:21, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have no intent to pick on this hook or its nominator (who has undeniably created a well-written and worthwhile article), but there is a general tendency toward not enforcing the interestingness requirement. Some articles (including some well-written articles, like this one) just don't have good hooks, and we should only be submitting our work to DYK if there's a hook that is genuinely unusual or intriguing. The issue isn't whether the light rail line has
I appreciate SounderBruce offering up alt3 which I find more interesting than the prior hooks. The double-whammy of covid and a worker strike is sufficiently interesting IMO. Once QPQ is done, I am able to approve. Cbl62 (talk) 11:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about this. While I won't object to ALT3 if it is approved, aren't hooks that basically go "X happened because of COVID" cheap? I remember there being a sentiment on DYK a while back about moving away from "X happened because of COVID" hooks because of oversaturation or at least because it happened so many times it was no longer seen as sufficiently interesting or unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Don't know about the prior discussion, but the double whammy with the worker strike was enough to get me over the hump. I do think it's more unusual than inadequate parking at the predecessor bus station. Cbl62 (talk) 14:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it was a discussion (or at least the case I was thinking about), but rather a specific DYK review. Unfortunately I can no longer remember what it was. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Don't know about the prior discussion, but the double whammy with the worker strike was enough to get me over the hump. I do think it's more unusual than inadequate parking at the predecessor bus station. Cbl62 (talk) 14:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: QPQ completed and linked above. SounderBruce 02:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about this. While I won't object to ALT3 if it is approved, aren't hooks that basically go "X happened because of COVID" cheap? I remember there being a sentiment on DYK a while back about moving away from "X happened because of COVID" hooks because of oversaturation or at least because it happened so many times it was no longer seen as sufficiently interesting or unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
