Template:Did you know nominations/Samseonggung

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The result was: rejected by Steve46814 (talk) 23:40, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Samseonggung

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... that Samseonggung, or Three Sages Palace, is a shrine in South Korea dedicated to the mythical founders of the country in 2333 BCE?

Created/expanded by Steve46814 (talk). Self nom at 20:56, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Length and date are ok. Nominator has less than 5 DYKs, so no need for QPQ. But the hook doesn't match the article exactly, the reference stating 2333 BC only mentions one founder, Dangun. Perhaps the passage "2333 BCE" could be left out? --Soman (talk) 14:23, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Some incredible photos too, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Samseonggung, or Three Sages Palace, is a shrine in South Korea dedicated to the mythical founders of the country?

ALT2 ... that Samseonggung, or Three Sages Palace, is a shrine in South Korea dedicated to the mythical founders of the country over 4,000 years ago? —Steve46814 (talk) 05:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: adding sig for the two ALTs (done by original nominator). BlueMoonset (talk) 20:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

As Soman has not returned and has been offline for many days, I thought I would look at this article to see if it could be passed because I love the hook's photo. Having done so, however, I believe there are problems with the sources. All five of the ones in English seem to be tourist or travel sites, and I see no evidence that they are what Wikipedia would consider to be reliable secondary sources. (The other one is in Korean, but it's used only once, and not to support any of the key hook facts.) As for the hooks, Soman's objection to the original also applies to ALT2: only one of the country's founders is said to date back to 2333 BCE, which is where the 4,000 years number comes from, rendering it equally ineligible. I would want to see better, more reliable sourcing for the article before it was approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

ALT3 ... that Samseonggung, or Three Sages Palace, is a shrine created by a Taoist priest in South Korea dedicated to the mythical founders of the country?

There's not much to do to address your concerns about the sources quality. It is often difficult to find what you would seem to consider 'reliable sources' in many cases when dealing with items of interest in Korea. I have confidence in the accuracy of the sources used here, but can understand your position in questioning them. Thanks for stopping by with a followup and expressing your opinions here. -Steve46814 (talk) 18:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Though I love these photos I'm sadly inclined towards an X - the "refs" make no pretence of RSness and should I guess be struck out, with an unreferenced hat then placed at the top of the page; also the tone - "enter via gift shop, interesting mix of sights and shrines" isn't necessarily ideal; the official Hadong site has this, which might be usable; is there anything in Korean? Anyone at Wikiproject:Korea who can help? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 02:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

The official "Hadong" site has the same dirty word Tourist/Tourism in the heading of the site. In spite of the fact that a couple of the other referenced sites here also suffer this same malady, being Cultural and Tourism sites - which incidentally are typically government sponsored, seeming to negate any semblance of fact. So be it.

I don't however understand your issue with the fact that there is a gift shop there and is documented in the article. A bit more of an explanation as to how or why this is undesirable would be greatly appreciated. How does this item detract from the significance of the place or the content of the article, please? Thanks for stopping by and assisting with this evaluation Steve46814 (talk) 23:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)