Template:Did you know nominations/Royce Coleman Dyer
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
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Royce Coleman Dyer
- ... that while the Russians murdered the rest of their officers, after their beloved Canadian leader, Capt Dyer, died the men of the Slavo-British Allied Legion took to carrying a massive portrait of him? Source: "took to carrying a massive portrait of Dyer, in the Eastern Orthodox tradition of an Icon ... allied officers, who were all British, were murdered in their sleep"
- ALT1 ... that the Russian members of the Slavo-British Allied Legion murdered the unit's officers but after its beloved Canadian leader, Capt Dyer, died they took to carrying a massive portrait of him? Source: "took to carrying a massive portrait of Dyer, in the Eastern Orthodox tradition of an Icon ... allied officers, who were all British, were murdered in their sleep"
Created by Thats Just Great (talk). Self-nominated at 17:55, 8 July 2019 (UTC).
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I think the hooks (they're much the same, honestly) are, or at least lead to, a misunderstanding of the text. The hook implies that the mutineers carried Dyer's portrait around. The text implies that Dyer's earlier recruits carried his portrait around, while the mutineers were mostly or wholly recruited after his death, and were politically different from the earlier recruits, both factors making it rather unlikely they continued to carry his portrait around after the mutiny.
As a general note, the article is mostly dependent on a single source, and that source is pretty marginal (research by a PhD candidate, published in a blog?) so I'm not at all sure it would survive Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. It is an interesting article, and the DYK criteria don't seem to include "would definitely survive AFD", so that doesn't directly affect my review, but if you want to be sure, try to find at least one more indepth source about Dyer. Ford must have. For example, some articles from the Winnipeg Evening Tribune like that clipping? In any case, I find the word "famous" in the article lede rather questionable, since even Ford's paper says his is an "untold story", please rephrase that. GRuban (talk) 18:05, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- @GRuban: Added some more sources, changed the intro and added a new hook -- Thats Just Great (talk) 18:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that after its beloved Canadian leader, Capt Dyer, died the Russian members of the Slavo-British Allied Legion took to carrying a massive portrait of him but would later murder all of the unit's other officers? Source: "took to carrying a massive portrait of Dyer, in the Eastern Orthodox tradition of an Icon ... allied officers, who were all British, were murdered in their sleep"
- Better, but I would change a few words: "but" to something like "and", because this isn't actually counterpoint, this is more of the emphasis on his personal ability to influence the unit, which the other officers did not have; and I'd change "the Russian members of" to something like "his unit", slightly less implication that these were the same people, just in the same unit. However, re-reading, I question the line in the article that says "hundreds of imprisoned Russian Bolsheviks were added to the unit." The source seems to say "a further 100 Bolshevik deserters would augment the unit"; 100, rather than hundreds. By the way, I found some more sources for you: https://books.google.com/books?id=nHCtAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA199 https://books.google.com/books?id=7S4iAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA863 - admittedly these are more on the unit than on the man, but still possibly useful; https://heritagesutton.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/HSutton-A-Hundred-Years-Ago.pdf is about him, and says there is an even more indepth piece on the man somewhere. --GRuban (talk) 21:30, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- @GRuban: Adjusted the wording, added the sources you provided and changed the hook. -- Thats Just Great (talk) 02:59, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- ALT3 ... that after its beloved Canadian leader, Capt Dyer, died his unit of the Slavo-British Allied Legion took to carrying a massive portrait of him and would later murder all of the unit's other officers?
- ALT4 ... that after its beloved Canadian leader, Captain Dyer, died, his Slavo-British unit took to carrying a massive portrait of him and would later murder all of the unit's other officers?
