Template:Did you know nominations/Roaring Brook (Hunlock Creek)

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 23:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Roaring Brook (Hunlock Creek)

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... that Roaring Brook flows through Roaring Brook?

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Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 01:34, 30 January 2015 (UTC).

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Article created by Jakec on January 22, 2015 and has 3245 characters of readable prose

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Hook is interesting and short enough but it is sourced to a Map App that isn't even centered on Brooks Creek.

Not sure what to do about the Reference. Do Map Apps count?-- Esemono (talk) 11:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

@Esemono: I use maps in all of my GAs (a few FAs seem to have them as well), so I don't doubt that they're good enough for DYK. It's impossible to center The National Map on a specific location with a URL, but the search function is helpful. Just type "Roaring Brook, PA" into the search bar select option A, and zoom in. --Jakob (talk) 13:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

It's fine with me but I'm not the one you have to convince. @BlueMoonset: might be better able to clear this up -- Esemono (talk) 23:51, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

My thought is that a reference that's a URL to a map app and doesn't explain how to find the referenced information is next to useless, so what's there now is inadequate. Perhaps what is needed is an explanation in said ref something like the one Jakec has given above on how to locate the information, provided it actually explains how to find the info, rather like the requirement of giving a page number in a book. I'm going to ping Crisco 1492 to get his thoughts on the matter, however, since there may be more to it than that. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: I've added what I wrote above to an HTML comment inside the citation. Sufficient? --Jakob (talk) 22:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I've stuck to Google Maps... it allows you to actually link to a specific area. See Oerip Soemohardjo for some examples. If the data is not included in Google, then this current one can be used, but the inability to link to specific areas is a big shortcoming. — Crisco 1492 (talk)

@Crisco 1492: I've lately found that Google Maps contains a lot of omissions and errors (such as claiming streams are shorter than they really are), so I don't use it much these days. What about this map, though? --Jakob (talk) 23:28, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

If there was something to identify the quadrant that would help immensely. That's a big map. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492: Done. Look for Roaring Brook in the part and then look for Hunlock Township. Should be easy to find from there. The article already says the stream is in that township, so any hypothetical person trying to verify should know where to look. --Jakob (talk) 12:26, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Alright, hook confirmed, but the ref in the article gives no identifying information, and is 30 years old. The community could have been reincorporated or something in that time — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:54, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492: It hasn't (and it never was incorporated). But if you insist, I'll scrape something else up. ALT1: ... that wild trout naturally reproduce in Roaring Brook from its headwaters downstream to its mouth? --Jakob (talk) 14:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Reincorporated, renamed, etc. Anyways, it shouldn't be that difficult to find a more recent map of the area. That hook is much better than the ALT. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492: it shouldn't be that difficult to find a more recent map of the area That would be The National Map, which you also refused to accept. If it's that hard to verify, just go with ALT1. --Jakob (talk) 15:16, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Are you claiming that there was only one map of the area produced in 30+ years? Doubtful. Furthermore, the opposition was not to the National Map per se, but the fact that there was no direct link to the area. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:20, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

And your claim that it's impossible to link is belied by the beautiful little "chain" icon at the top right of the page. This leads directly to what you get by typing "Roaring Brook, PA" in the search bar. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:25, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492: Fine, done. Never noticed the chain icon. --Jakob (talk) 14:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Hook fact now verified with a reasonably up-to-date source. Everything else looks correct (no close paraphrasing found, referencing is good, etc. etc.) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:37, 15 March 2015 (UTC)