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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 23:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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Rainforest (EP)

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Created by Skyshifter (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Skyshiftertalk 15:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC).

  • Eligible, non-free image is rationale is fine, no copyvio etc. I'm happy with reliability of the hook sources (MTV should be fine just for an interview; DMY author seems to have had a significant journalistic career). Other sources also look fine and are used inline each paragraph.
  • I'm not convinced the term "power outage" is appropriate in the hook and article: just "broken computer" would be safer. The exact quote is: "My whole computer crashed in May. The power went out and ever since I couldn't turn it back on." I don't think this is particularly technically precise language and there's a few things that can cause a computer to break irreparably.
  • Some wording could be improved:
    • "He began connecting with rappers over the Internet and soon began producing for them, including ..." – Might be clearer/shorter as "He began producing music for rappers over the Internet, including ..."
    • "after fans requested Volpe to release" – "asked" rather than "requested"; or "requested that Volpe release"
    • "Attributing this to his inexperience, he abandoned this practice" – What's the "this"? He abandoned "turning the volume up" or abandoned not mastering properly (by doing what in the mastering stage of the process)?
    • "didn't" should be "did not" per MOS:CONTRACT
    • In the lead, I don't like the summary "started resonating with the electronic music public" – maybe "Volpe's backing music started being used by electronic music fans" (and similar in the body).

— Bilorv (talk) 20:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bilorv: True, I just read DMY again and Volpe said "My computer just crashed, powered down", so indeed it doesn't necessarily mean that a power outage occurred. I've fixed this. I've also changed the wordings. I plan to expand and nominate this article for GAN soon, so hopefully the content will be even more polished when it reaches the main page. Skyshiftertalk 21:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
A couple of issues, still remain, Skyshifter. On "power outage" or "crash", my point is that Volpe is not using terminology from computer architecture and programming formally, but as slang. "Stopped working" is what he means, whereas "power outage" is a specific hardware problem, "crash" is a specific software problem and neither are necessarily meant in the linked, jargon sense. Additionally, it's still unclear what this sentence means: "This practice was abandoned for the EP". And "didn't" has not been fixed. — Bilorv (talk) 22:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
@Bilorv: should be all good now! Skyshiftertalk 22:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
@Skyshifter: "suddenly" in "[his/Volpe's] computer suddenly stopped working" is not what the source says. Just "his computer stopped working" suffices. Additionally, I've looked a bit deeper and I'm concerned at the risk of close paraphrasing, for instance around this "he abandoned this practice" claim. The source said: He admits it was inexperience and that he moved on from the practice. The article said: Attributing this to his inexperience, he abandoned this practice. It is true that several words have been swapped out for synonyms, but sentence structure needs to be changed as well—see this example. I think the same issue can be found in the previous sentence: Volpe noted in a press release that the EP tracks always existed as instrumentals, unlike the Instrumentals mixtape (original: a press release notes that "these songs have always existed purely as instrumentals," unlike the tracks). I would like you to take your time and compare the article to the sources you used, and find any other places where you have used the same sentence structure as the source, and identify how you could reword this. A good Wikipedia article will often: combine information from multiple sources into one uniquely structured sentence; reorder information from sources; use completely different wording to convey the same facts.
For what it's worth, I think you have misinterpreted the intended meaning of the original Vice source's "he moved on from the practice", where "the practice" is not that he "wasn't really mastering properly" but the preceding context of "free beat tapes" and "ambiance coupled with a subtly emotional core". The important information is about his use of samples and editing multiple tracks together, not his comment about volume: "I started adding distortion to cover up some of the sounds. Maybe there was too much bass in the kick drum and it was distorting so I'd distort the sample to cover it up." — Bilorv (talk) 22:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
@Bilorv: I've removed "suddenly" and the Vice article. Tried to reword a few sentences. Skyshiftertalk 23:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
The hook is now verifiable. I've done some spotchecks and haven't found any close paraphrasing in the latest version of the article. — Bilorv (talk) 09:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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