Template:Did you know nominations/Plymouth Lifeboat Station
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The result was: promoted by — Amakuru (talk) 21:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
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Plymouth Lifeboat Station
Plymouth Lifeboat Station
- ... that Plymouth Lifeboat Station is in a three-storey Grade II-listed tower? Source: Historic England
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5x expanded by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self-nominated at 17:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC).
I'm thinking that a new hook is probably needed: the current one is just not very interesting if you don't know what a Grade II listing means. Reading through the article, it appears that the building has had quite a history, including the accomplishments of its staff. Perhaps a hook based on that could be suggested here? In addition, the first paragraph in the "service awards" section seems to be a bit too-puffery sounding, so perhaps it could be revised. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:46, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- Uninvolved editor, apart from a little copyediting, personally I quite like this little fact. Not often that you think of lifeboats being able to rescue aircraft. With this alt though it might be better to avoid using the picture, as according to the history of the station, the building didn't become part of the station until 1992. Spokoyni (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- Uninvolved editor, I want to know why the building looks like a castle, and why it is historic. --evrik (talk) 20:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- The reason for the tower was to give customs officers a good view of the area. I've expanded the 'facilities' section to explain this. Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:41, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- ALT1... that the crew of Plymouth Lifeboat Station saved a flying boat during the Second World War? Spokoyni (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
I wrote the hook about the building as that is, in my mind, the most unusual thing about the station. I don't know of another lifeboat station built in a tower, let alone a listed one - most are single storey boat houses. If you want to go with the flying boat rescue then the hook ought to be ... that the Plymouth Lifeboat saved a flying boat during the Second World War? I've tightened the prose of the Service Awards section, but I'm happy for someone else to take a look at it. Geof Sheppard (talk) 18:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about the new wording, since the article is about the lifeboat station and not a particular lifeboat. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- It was just a suggestion. As I said, I think the fact that it is a tower is the most unusual feature, but I'm happy with any of the suggested hooks. Geof Sheppard (talk) 09:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about the new wording, since the article is about the lifeboat station and not a particular lifeboat. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- It appears that the article creation and length requirements are met, no close paraphrasing was found, and a QPQ has been done. The article relies on offline sources which are accepted in good faith. Of the two hooks, ALT1 is the best option as it's more appealing to a broad audience; however, while technically correct, the article does not explicitly say "Second World War" anywhere in the body, nor does it discuss what the flying boat (which was Australian) was doing in England in the first place. There's also a minor typo: there's a stray apostrophe before "for his courage". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- I've made an explicit link in the article between the date and the war, but the apostrophe is correct. It is a quotation from the award: 'for his courage, determination and excellent seamanship' Geof Sheppard (talk) 07:56, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Before I approve this, I just need some clarification: is the name of the lifeboat also Plymouth? I'm asking because I was about to approve Spokoyni's hook, but you mentioned that it could be reworded. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:38, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
- The term "the Plymouth lifeboat" is used by the RNLI, coastgaurd and text books to refer to any lifeboat based at Plymouth. Each individual boat has had its own name as listed in the article, such as Sybil Mullen Glover or Thomas Forehead and Margaret Rowse. Geof Sheppard (talk) 08:22, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
- The wording still sounds a little confusing, and I'm not sure if readers unfamiliar with how lifeboat naming customs work would understand that terminology. Would you be okay with Spokonyi's suggested wording instead? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
- That version is okay. I'm always happy to have someone less involved with a topic to check that what experts write makes sense! Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I think there's consensus here to go with ALT1 so I think we can approve that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:45, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- That version is okay. I'm always happy to have someone less involved with a topic to check that what experts write makes sense! Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- The wording still sounds a little confusing, and I'm not sure if readers unfamiliar with how lifeboat naming customs work would understand that terminology. Would you be okay with Spokonyi's suggested wording instead? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
- The term "the Plymouth lifeboat" is used by the RNLI, coastgaurd and text books to refer to any lifeboat based at Plymouth. Each individual boat has had its own name as listed in the article, such as Sybil Mullen Glover or Thomas Forehead and Margaret Rowse. Geof Sheppard (talk) 08:22, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
