Template:Did you know nominations/Pekarangan

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Pekarangan

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An Indonesian home garden

A child picks chili peppers in an Indonesian home garden

• ... that while the term pekarangan is used in Indonesian for yards or homestead plots in general, it has been used in scientific research to specifically refer to Indonesian or Javanese home gardens? Source: KBBI; a lot of articles in English described the term "pekarangan", including Soemarwoto & Conway p. 101, Stoler p. 85, Arifin sources of the article, and others
  • ALT1:... that records of Indonesian home gardens go as far back as 860 AD? Source: Soemarwoto & Conway p. 100, "The first written record of the homegarden in Indonesia appreaded in a Javanese charter of 860 A.D."
  • ALT2:... that despite being recorded as far back as 860 AD, research about Indonesian home gardens only started from the 1930s? Source: Soemarwoto & Conway p. 100, idem; Stoler p. 93, "The earliest and most exhaustive studies of Javanese gardens were carried out by Ochse and Terra during the 1930s...."
  • ALT3:... that Indonesian home gardens might reach a level of carbon stock similar to forests per unit area? Source: Roshetko et al. p.146, "[On] a per area basis, homegardens and other smallholder agroforestry systems accumulate significant amounts of C, equaling the amount of C stored in other tree-based systems—including primary or secondary forests—over similar time periods." (context: the stuided home gardens were located in Lampung)
  • ALT4:... that the Balinese people believe plants in their gardens might release certain auras? Source: see section "Culture".
  • ALT4.1:... that the Balinese people believe plants in their gardens might release certain auras, based on the teachings in the Taru Premana manuscript? Source: see section "Culture".
  • ALT5:... that the Indonesian government aided the development of Indonesian home gardens? Source: see "Pekarangan programs"
  • ALT6:... that jackfruits are planted in Indonesian home gardens? Source: see Elements - Plants: "Plants that need high levels of nutrients, e.g. banana, mango, jackfruit, and other fruit plants, are planted close to garbage dumps, called jarian in Sundanese." Source at the end of paragraph.
  • ALT6.1:...that jackfruits and mangoes are planted in Indonesian home gardens? Source: see Elements - Plants: "Plants that need high levels of nutrients, e.g. banana, mango, jackfruit, and other fruit plants, are planted close to garbage dumps, called jarian in Sundanese." Source at the end of paragraph.
  • ALT7:...that chili peppers are planted in Indonesian home gardens? Source: see Elements - Plants: "Meanwhile, crops frequently harvested for cooking, e.g. chili peppers, langua, lemongrass, and tomatoes, are planted near the kitchen." Source at the end of paragraph.
  • ALT8:... that some owners of home gardens in Indonesia sell the gardens' crops? Source: see Uses - Commercial.

Improved to Good Article status by Dhio270599 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:32, 6 September 2019 (UTC).

• Newly promoted to GA, and of course long enough and within policy. Main hook is 195 characters long, the others are shorter and snappier IMO. Checked Soemarwoto & Conway, other sources accepted in good faith. Cannot find the information that the term refers specifically to Indonesian or Javanese gardens (main hook) in the article, nor the bit about research starting in the 1930 (ALT2); so I suggest using ALT1. QPQ unnecessary, as nominator has no previous DYK credits. Image is in article, looks nice in small size and CC-BY licensed. Good to go. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 09:21, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

• Agree with the reviewer that ALT1 is the best of the proposed hooks, as it is shorter and can be understood by wider audience. @Dhio270599: Looks like someone added a few new pictures after the nomination, do you think any of them can be used here? For example, the current lead image can be used for ALT1, or File:Picking chili peppers from home garden, Indonesia.jpg can be used for another hook talking about growing commercial crops in pekarangan. Just a suggestion. The current hook is also excellent. HaEr48 (talk) 14:09, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you for the reviews. I'd prefer choosing any of the newer pictures; they somehow look fresher (special thanks to LegolasSendok34). @Anypodetos @HaEr48: is it still allowed to change the picture post-review? Dhio-270599 03:32, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Dhio270599: It's okay, as long as someone (either the original reviewer or someone else) reviews the change afterwards. 03:36, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but I find the hooks technical-sounding and not very accessible for a lead (image) hook. Can you suggest something more user-friendly? Yoninah (talk) 22:19, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Would you consider ALT1 still too technical? I agree the other hooks are too specific or technical to appeal to a broad audience. @Dhio270599: I suggest a simpler hook, like mentioning example plants or fruits that can be grown, or the fact that it can be used for commercial crops, that will go well with the proposed picture. HaEr48 (talk) 02:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: @HaEr48: added more alternatives; I hope they're adequately short and less technical. (nb: about grown plants in the gardens... I'm afraid it's not adequately "interesting" to be on DYK, so I go on with other suggestions.) Dhio-270599 09:05, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: @HaEr48: after some consideration, especially after the message HaEr48 sent to me hours ago, these parts of the message got me:

"The purpose of the hook is not to present a high-value or academic information. (....) A good hook gives an interesting fact that may be simple but people can relate to."

Supported by HaEr48's Young Man of Arévalo example (I mean, how could adapting a Christian literature into an Islamic work, both devotional works even, be uninteresting? but there the views (insufficiently) went.) I've come into the conclusion: (in order) short, relatable, then distinctive make the best DYK. Thanks to HaEr48 for the advice; added newer suggestions above. Dhio-270599 12:21, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

@Dhio270599: Chili peppers are mentioned in the reference and will match the picture, want to include it in the hook and the article? HaEr48 (talk) 12:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

@HaEr48: ALT7. Dhio-270599 12:31, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

ALT6.1, ALT7, and ALT8 all look fine to me, and supported by article and source. Pinging the original reviewer Anypodetos to reiew the adjustment, and Yoninah for the appropriate-ness of the hook. HaEr48 (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Dhio, for the alts. I think ALT6 is most interesting because I've never heard of jackfruits. If you want to use the image, maybe this combined alt would be good:

• ALT9: ... that jackfruits and chili peppers are planted in Indonesian home gardens (example pictured)? Yoninah (talk) 12:40, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

• I tweaked the caption in the chili peppers image. Yoninah (talk) 12:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: a good suggestion. Dhio-270599 12:45, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I also like the idea of mentioning chili peppers in the hook (ALT9 or ALT7) and having a matching picture (which is CC-BY-SA). Everything fine from my point of view! --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 20:17, 16 September 2019 (UTC)