Template:Did you know nominations/Parimal Garden
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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 08:14, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
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Parimal Garden
... that Parimal Garden in Ahmedabad has a 400-year-old banyan tree (pictured)? Source: https://www.gujaratsamachar.com/news/gujarat/ahmedabads-iconic-parimal-garden-gets-new-look-after-60-yearsALT1: ... that Parimal Garden in Ahmedabad was redeveloped twice by the same architect 28-years apart?Source: [1], [2] and [3]- ALT2: ... Parimal Garden in Ahmedabad has a bougainvillea arbour? source:[4] and [5]
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- Comment:
Copyediting needed.
Created by Rahilarious and Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 05:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Parimal Garden; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Comment The article closely paraphrases the google translation of the provided source. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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- Reviewing... Moved from draft 2 Aug, hook interesting, long enough. Will complete soon. Whispyhistory (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
... Rahilarious and Nizil Shah. Thank you for creating this article (your first I see). The images look good. Copyvio 1%, QPQ not needed as first dyk.
- The source of the hook is in a non-English language that google translates to the "400-year old trees". The reference that appears better researched seems to be the one published by Leaf (doesn't have an author and other reference parameters). It doesn't mention the age of the tree. Times of India says it is 80-years old [6]. I can't find the information anywhere else. Please clarify.
- How can the park be one of the oldest in India if built in 1960? I haven't gone through the rest of the article. Suggest to go through again and sift out which information should be taken from which references to start with. Please confirm.
- Is a banyan tree living for 400 years unique? Let me know if need help please. Whispyhistory (talk) 07:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- I have answered at Talk:Parimal_Garden#Queries.
I will nominate new hook.-Nizil (talk) 07:44, 8 August 2023 (UTC)- Nominated new hook ALT1. Image hidden as not relevant now.-Nizil (talk) 08:06, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Nizil Shah:... Thanks for tackling the above. In my opinion, there is a lot of reliance on press releases for the historical facts and some are difficult to verify elsewhere so they need replacing with references that give a more reliable history. For example, if the same architect developed the park in 1970 and 1998, why does that architect not mention it on his own website and why is this not talked about in the research paper by Leaf? The Leaf reference says the park was opened in 1960, evolved between 1950 and 1970s and then redeveloped in 1998. May be that press reference meant to say 1998 not 1970. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Whispyhistory I agree with your assessment and LEAF is more reliable. The 1970 looks like misunderstanding. The board in the park does not mention 1970 either.
I will remove it and propose another hook.ALT2 hook proposed. :D -Nizil (talk) 16:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC)- I think 'Ambawadi' issue is resolved but still better source needed marked. Any specific reason? I have added one more ref.-16:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
....QPQ provided, adjustments made (several references in non-English), hook is okay and in article and is in the following inline citation. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:57, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Nizil Shah: Please resolve the "citation needed" tags in the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:22, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- Cielquiparle
Done. I don't know how I missed this. -Nizil (talk) 07:31, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
- Cielquiparle
- @Nizil Shah: Please resolve the "citation needed" tags in the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:22, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- I think 'Ambawadi' issue is resolved but still better source needed marked. Any specific reason? I have added one more ref.-16:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Whispyhistory I agree with your assessment and LEAF is more reliable. The 1970 looks like misunderstanding. The board in the park does not mention 1970 either.
- @Nizil Shah:... Thanks for tackling the above. In my opinion, there is a lot of reliance on press releases for the historical facts and some are difficult to verify elsewhere so they need replacing with references that give a more reliable history. For example, if the same architect developed the park in 1970 and 1998, why does that architect not mention it on his own website and why is this not talked about in the research paper by Leaf? The Leaf reference says the park was opened in 1960, evolved between 1950 and 1970s and then redeveloped in 1998. May be that press reference meant to say 1998 not 1970. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Nominated new hook ALT1. Image hidden as not relevant now.-Nizil (talk) 08:06, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- I have answered at Talk:Parimal_Garden#Queries.
I wanted to propose this ALT hook (after all...lots of gardens have bougainvillea):
- ALT3: ... Parimal Garden in Ahmedabad has a bougainvillea arbour and scrap metal monkeys?
@Nizil Shah and Whispyhistory: What do you think? Cielquiparle (talk) 15:44, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
- I am OK with it ALT3 and ALT4 below. Removing arbour and proposing ALT4 for shorter and more interesting hook. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
- ALT4: ... that Parimal Garden in Ahmedabad has scrap metal monkeys?
- Approving both ALT3 and ALT4. Out of interest... PM Modi use to take regular walks in the park in the mid 70s (according to one of his biographers [7]). Whispyhistory (talk) 04:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- I am OK with it ALT3 and ALT4 below. Removing arbour and proposing ALT4 for shorter and more interesting hook. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2023 (UTC)