Template:Did you know nominations/Nohra concentration camp

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:08, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Nohra concentration camp

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• ... that Nohra was the first Nazi concentration camp?Source: "[...] the Thuringia Ministry of Interior decided to establish a concentration camp in the military-oriented Homeland School (Heimatschule) Mitteldeutschland e.V. on March 3, 1933. [..] The first Nazi concentration camp in Germany was based at the former Nohra airfield, 6 kilometers (3.7 miles) from Weimar.", Wohlfeld, Udo (2009). "Nohra". In Megargee, Geoffrey P. (ed.). The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum encyclopedia of camps and ghettos, 1933-1945. Volume 1. Text can be downloaded here
  • ALT1:... that the first Nazi concentration camp was opened on 3 March 1933?
  • ALT2:... that all inmates of the first Nazi concentration camp were communists?
  • ALT3:... that the prisoners of Nohra concentration camp were allowed to vote in the March 1933 elections, and their presence caused a significant rise in the communist vote in Nohra?
  • ALT4:... that the only plaque commemorating the first Nazi concentration camp was removed and stored in the Nohra town hall attic soon after its installation?Source: taz, February 2003, [1]

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Created by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 23:38, 26 April 2021 (UTC).

Interesting, and I didn't know! On good sources, I can read what's online, no copyvio obvious. I struck some of the ALTs and hope for a hook that

• has the name fully bolded, for more attention
• perhaps also says how shortlived
• mentions "all communists".

Good luck! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

For beautification: it's common to have refs in ascending order when more than one for a fact. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks Gerda Arendt. The problem with "how shortlived" is that I have different end dates given in different sources. I have an idea how these are connected and what is correct, but I am not confident enough in my interpretation to state that in wikivoice, and hence don't think this should be in the hook. I'm not 100% sure what you don't like about ALT3 and ALT4, but here are some more. Let me know what you think of these! —Kusma (t·c) 12:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT5 ... that all of the prisoners of Nohra concentration camp were communists, and their presence caused a significant rise in the communist vote in Nohra in the March 1933 elections?
  • ALT6 ... that Nohra concentration camp, the first Nazi concentration camp, was even more short lived than its commemorative plaque?
  • ALT7 ... that the 1988 plaque commemorating Nohra concentration camp, the first Nazi concentration camp, is stored in the attic of Nohra town hall?
  • ALT8 ... that two days after Nohra concentration camp was opened on 3 March 1933 as the first Nazi concentration camp, the prisoners were allowed to vote in the March 1933 elections?
  • ALT9 ... that at Nohra concentration camp, opened on 3 March 1933 as the first Nazi concentration camp and closed later that year, the prisoners were all communists?

  Thank you, Kusma. I didn't say I didn't like ALTs, - it's just that I like to arrive at one approved hook, to make life easier for the prep builder, and found the others more promising. The detail about the elections and the plaque seemed less catchy than "first" and "all communist", and rather diluting a main interest than adding to curiosity. My personal pov, of course. My summary would be more or less the first half of ALT5:

  ALT5a: ... that all inmates of Nohra concentration camp, the first Nazi concentration camp, were communists?

  What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

  OK, I think we disagree a bit there. I believe having only one approved hook should be avoided (it can't be easily swapped out for another approved hook if problems arise later, and to have the option of a more and a less quirky one can also be useful for prep builders). ALT5a (which is essentially a combination of ALT0 and ALT2) is a fine factual hook. —Kusma (t·c) 13:02, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

  We can disagree, why not. I approved a few now, preferring the last. In the next nom, perhaps try two options, and more only on request. It's extra work to check so many, then extra work to strike, then work for a prep builder to choose, and what we want to do is not review but write in article space ;) - Turning now to Leontyne Price who is mentioned in a DYK hook, and was practically without references until a few days ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

  Gerda Arendt, well, the whole process (having someone propose things and someone else strike or approve them) is rather bureaucratic and unwiki. I haven't built any preps, so I don't know whether having more choice means more or less work. Anyway, if you approve of the hooks you did not strike, would you mind giving them a tick? —Kusma (t·c) 14:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

  Oh dear, I had copied the icon but forgot to put it in. - I think it's quite easy to see that transferring one hook is less work compared to having a choice of let's say three, having to evaluate, check the sourcing, check the preferences of those who commented ... - Price is overwhelmingly complex. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 27 April 2021 (UTC)