Template:Did you know nominations/Ned Rorem
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 11:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
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Ned Rorem
- ... that Ned Rorem was the leading American composer of art songs, having composed over 500? Source: oxfordmusiconline.com/grovemusic/display/10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.001.0001/omo-9781561592630-e-0000048611;jsessionid=FA2AE0EE8145FE48DE0293DEF6717FC3 Paras 6-7
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Improved to Good Article status by Aza24 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 00:02, 28 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ned Rorem; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 22:47, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hook eligibility:
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- source (viewable with TWL) only says "nearly 400 songs" - Interesting:
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Overall: 
Please support the hook with a source that supports the hook or add another hook with a supporting source; @Aza24: for assistance. And while Earwig had results of 55.9%, 45.1%, 42.5%, 33.8%, and numerous in the 20-30 range, they are either quotes, long names, or WP:LIMITED. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:04, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Miraclepine: see note 8 where this discrepancy is explained. Sourced in the Guardian. Onegreatjoke, if you're going to nominate someone else's article, it would be most courteous to let them know before the fact. Aza24 (talk) 03:01, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Aza24: For DYKCRIT 3b's sake: the Guardian source says "The bulk of his output comprises more than 500 art songs", but nothing about "leading American composer of art songs". I also found an encyclopedia.com ref (The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music) that says "Ned Rorem (born 1923) was widely regarded as the leading American composer of art songs", but it's not in the article. Also, given the source's wording, something like "known as" should be added to the hook to avoid wikivoice. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:28, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Miraclepine: I mean no insult, but I really don't know why this is my problem, as I did not nominate this article, nor was aware it would be nominated...... See the Washington Post, which is in note 8, as I mentioned already. Note 8: "Rorem's song output as "nearly 400", the music critic Tim Page explains that "By the time Mr. Rorem was 40, he had written more than 400 such songs", and that by his death "In all, he wrote [...] more than 500 songs"." Aza24 (talk) 19:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Aza24: Thanks, I looked at note 8. Btw I pinged you with the expectation that you would add the sources given you were the GA improver. And my bad, I should've been more clearer to ping @Onegreatjoke: for input on the hook. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:47, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- Onegreatjoke, this is a second ping. If you are going to create DYK nominations for other peoples' work, it would behoove you to be more careful about your hooks, and to be more responsive to pings and comments. It creates more work for others when they have to fix unforced errors and chase you down to respond. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Withdraw Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:24, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- Onegreatjoke, this is a second ping. If you are going to create DYK nominations for other peoples' work, it would behoove you to be more careful about your hooks, and to be more responsive to pings and comments. It creates more work for others when they have to fix unforced errors and chase you down to respond. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Aza24: Thanks, I looked at note 8. Btw I pinged you with the expectation that you would add the sources given you were the GA improver. And my bad, I should've been more clearer to ping @Onegreatjoke: for input on the hook. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:47, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Miraclepine: I mean no insult, but I really don't know why this is my problem, as I did not nominate this article, nor was aware it would be nominated...... See the Washington Post, which is in note 8, as I mentioned already. Note 8: "Rorem's song output as "nearly 400", the music critic Tim Page explains that "By the time Mr. Rorem was 40, he had written more than 400 such songs", and that by his death "In all, he wrote [...] more than 500 songs"." Aza24 (talk) 19:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Aza24: For DYKCRIT 3b's sake: the Guardian source says "The bulk of his output comprises more than 500 art songs", but nothing about "leading American composer of art songs". I also found an encyclopedia.com ref (The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music) that says "Ned Rorem (born 1923) was widely regarded as the leading American composer of art songs", but it's not in the article. Also, given the source's wording, something like "known as" should be added to the hook to avoid wikivoice. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:28, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
