Template:Did you know nominations/Manthos Papagiannis

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:24, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Manthos Papagiannis

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... ~~that 16th-century Greek noble Manthos Papagiannis persisted for a long time in his attempt to persuade various western European rulers to support a planned uprising against the Ottoman Empire?~~

Created by Alexikoua (talk). Self-nominated at 12:31, 10 May 2016 (UTC).

new enough, but from a first read seems to have a position. Ceoil (talk) 12:33, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

This article is new enough and long enough. The hook is cited inline to sources not available to me. I consider the article sufficiently neutral and I note that Ceoil, who commented above, made some edits to the article which may have corrected any bias he saw. I did not have access to the sources but doubt there are any copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I just promoted this to prep. The QPQ check is showing that this is the page creator's first DYK; however, his user page indicates that he has 75 DYK credits. In case I made a mistake, I am submitting a QPQ to cover this nomination: Template:Did you know nominations/Gustav Gunsenheimer. Yoninah (talk) 10:37, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

New hook and then new reviewer needed. Hook is too closely paraphrasing of the source. The source says "Papagiannis persisted for a long time...with his attempts to persuade...to give military support to the uprising which was being planned." — Maile (talk) 14:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Since this doesn't have a valid hook, I'm superseding the "review again" icon; there's no point in calling for a reviewer until a new hook is supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Here is an alternative hook in order to avoid any paraphrasing issue:

ALT1: ... that 16th-century Greek noble Manthos Papagiannis repeatedly solicited support from western European leaders for a planned uprising against the Ottoman Empire?Alexikoua (talk) 07:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Reviewer needed to check the new ALT1 hook and to make sure that the problematic wording of the old hook did not also appear in the article, since close paraphrasing would still be an issue in that case. (Also, there's something not quite right with the "persisted to seek" phrasing.) Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:35, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

ALT1 Two instances of close paraphrasing edited out of the article. "persisted to seek western European support" copyedited to "repeatedly solicited support from western European leaders" just to be extra careful. Otherwise, date, hook, and length confirmed, AGF non-English sources. Intelligentsium 18:21, 8 June 2016 (UTC)