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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 22:41, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

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Lilia Tarawa

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Converted from a redirect by Nexus000 (talk). Nominated by Feminist (talk) at 16:25, 6 April 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: No - Referencing is generally good and from independent and reliable sources. While checking the hook citation, I noticed the rest of the paragraph (In 2009, Tarawa and her family...) was not supported by the citation given. - checkY fixed.
  • Neutral: Yes
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: No - Checked with Earwig's Copyvio Detector, which returned a possible violation in relation to several lengthy quotes in the article. Per WP:QUOTE, overuse of quotes, especially long ones, is discouraged and may be better paraphrased in prose. - checkY fixed.
  • Other problems: No - A merge request is currently under discussion; the DYK cannot proceed until this is closed. - checkY merge request closed.

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: No - The hook doesn't feel "hooky" enough to me. Gloriavale isn't unique in telling its members they will go to hell if they leave.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article length and age are fine, and reliable sources are used. However, there is a possible copyvio issue, and the hook doen't feel "hooky". This is my first solo QPQ, so second opinions and feedback are welcome. Lcmortensen (mailbox) 10:44, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment I have requested for the merge request to be closed because it has found a clear consensus. Nexus000 (talk) 23:32, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
  • @Lcmortensen: Thanks for the review. I've paraphrased some quotes to address the plagiarism concern. You are right, the audio in the source cited does not support the rest of the paragraph. @Nexus000: where did you get that information? Is it from her book? If so, cite that.
  • ALT1: ... that "everything got stricter" in the Gloriavale Christian Community after Lilia Tarawa left with her family?
  • I'm also open to other hook suggestions. feminist (talk) 04:27, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
  • The referencing issue is minor and easily fixed. My local library has a copy, but its onb loan, so I can't fix it myself. The original hook is much more "hooky" compared with the alternate hook, and I may have been a little bit harsh in my critique, so with the original hook. Lcmortensen (mailbox) 08:31, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the review. I realize this is a minor issue, but shouldn't this be a green tick? The RNZ source cited is online and non-paywalled, and states Lilia Tarawa fled Gloriavale after years of believing that to do so would mean she would go to hell. It fully supports the original hook. feminist (talk) 16:53, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
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