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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 10:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Kenneth Law

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  • Source: Murphy, Aisling (2023-08-25). "Mississauga man behind Canadian self-harm websites linked to 88 deaths in the U.K." CTV News Toronto. Retrieved 2024-05-29.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vanessa Weenink (Kahurangi Carter)
  • Comment: I don't think there's any way to prevent a protracted debate about BLP, but I'd say that ship has long-since sailed when it comes to negative DYK hooks. Furthermore, Law has already publicly stated he sold the substance, the only question is whether he sold it illegally.
Moved to mainspace by Bremps (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Bremps... 17:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC).

Also noting that Peel Police had investigated suspicious deaths before the The Times article, but there is no indication that they knew about Law or had been planning on arresting him speedily. The CTV article states that the exposé lead to Law's arrest, which should be enough as a citation. Bremps... 21:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
(not a review) to me, this doesn't meet WP:DYKINT; newspapers and journalists routinely uncover evidence of crimes. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: --evrik (talk) 00:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

A new review probably needs to check all the criteria again instead of being a rubber stamp. In addition, given the nomination has now been raised at BLPN, this probably can't be approved until issues are sorted out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  • The BLPN issue is really the only issue. --evrik (talk) 15:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
It's a very serious one given the nature of the subject and the hook itself. In the past we'd reject hooks that solely focus on a crime especially if it was a BLP, and given how controversial the fallout of the Tate hook was it might be better to err on the side of caution here, at least when it comes to the hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
The Tate hook was only controversial inside our little bubble.--evrik (talk) 22:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
There was a whole ANI thread about it and the discussion about it on DYK after it ran included participants from outside the DYK sphere. If anything, it was less controversial inside our bubble than outside of it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm going to agree with Roy. I would not move this to queue. Neg BLP hook + nothing really not-negative to say without feeling like we're whitewashing = a no for me. Valereee (talk) 09:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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