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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by 4meter4 (talk) 22:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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July 18, 1998 Albanian–Yugoslav border clashes

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Created by 23 editor (talk). Self-nominated at 20:47, 1 November 2015 (UTC).

  • Review:
    1. New checkY
    2. Long enough checkY
    3. General policy (neutral, passes Earwig test, inline cites) checkY
    4. Hook 98 characters checkY format checkY
    5. Content: interesting checkY accurate ☒N cited checkY neutral checkY
    6. QPQ: done checkY
    7. Image - no image checkY
Issue 1. no end of sentence cite after "Of the dead mujahideen, 16 were citizens of Saudi Arabia and one was a citizen of Yemen"
Probable issue 2: no page 41 of The Coming Balkan Caliphate: The Threat of Radical Islam to Europe and the West is available at Google Books.
Possible issue 3. Is The Coming Balkan Caliphate: The Threat of Radical Islam to Europe and the West a reliable source?
review currently failed.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC).
  1. This assertion is sourced, and according to WP:INTEXT the ref doesn't have to come directly after every sentence, especially if the source in question is used to reference multiple claims concurrently (the nationalities of the dead and the presence of forged passports in this particular case).
  2. It was available a few days ago. If you insist on checking the page out for yourself, I suggest entering some relevant keywords and it should come up as a snippet view.
  3. Deliso is a journalist and political commentator who runs a news portal called Balkan Analysis. He isn't an academic, but he is reliable. 23 editor (talk) 21:51, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
According to the review guide:

The hook fact(s) must be stated in the article, and must be immediately followed by an inline citation to a reliable source.

The check-list (which I can't find right now) also states that it must be reffed a the end of the sentence.
Oh here we go WP:DYKDN

D1: The hook may not be written yet, because that's part of nominating. But when the hook is written, the hook fact must be cited in the article with an inline citation, since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article. The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable. Once again, that rule is only for the hook fact, not for every sentence in the article. (Yes, we know featured articles don't have that rule, but that's because featured articles don't have hook facts.)

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:32, 7 November 2015 (UTC).
You're right. This is only my fourth or fifth DYK attempt, so bear with me. Fixed . 23 editor (talk) 01:56, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
No worries it's my first review. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:37, 7 November 2015 (UTC).
OK. I'm declining this, with this hook. The text you are citing says

As skirmishes between KLA irregulars and the Yugoslav Army intensified in spring 1998, material evidence of mujahedin, in the form of dead bodies, began to pile up. One KLA volunteer killed in western Kosovo in May was a Sudanese citizen. Several Bosnian Muslims were also killed. In July 1998, Yugoslav border guards shot a KLA member trying to cross over from Albania; documents found on the man, Alija Rabic, "indicated he was guiding a 50-man group from Albania into Kosovo. The group included one Yemeni and 16 Saudis, six of whom bore passports with Macedonian Albanian names."

(The document Deliso is citing is Tammy Arbuckle (1 February 1999). "Unhealthy Climate in Kosovo as Guerrillas Gear Up for a Summer Confrontation". Jane's International Defense Review..)
This does not support the contention that 16 Saudis were shot, merely that there 16 listed on a document, that may have had nothing to do with that ambush. Correspondingly I have removed the associated claims from the article.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:23, 8 November 2015 (UTC).

Hook invalid, new hook will be needed. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:06, 8 November 2015 (UTC).

  • It is just about a month since the above review, and the nominator has been pinged twice since then, the last time a full week ago. Despite quite a bit of editing activity elsewhere, the nominator has not responded here, so it's time to close this as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:28, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
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