Template:Did you know nominations/John Papworth (plasterer)

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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 19:06, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

John Papworth (plasterer)

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Chapel at Greenwich Hospital

... that John Papworth created the plasterwork on the ceiling of the chapel at Greenwich Hospital, London (pictured), when it was rebuilt in the 1780s after a fire?

Reviewed: Angelo Neumann

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 19:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC).

Hi Cwmhiraeth, looking good so far. One query: is p583 the right page of Plastering: Plain and Decorative? The Google Books preview shows it as an index page? - Dumelow (talk) 17:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

I think pge 34 may have been intended? Article was created 7 January; article is well written but after I take out the quotes I only count 1413 characters so is marginally short. No overly close paraphrasing found; image is excellent and free and a QPQ had been done. A little expansion and confirmation of the page number and I think this will be good - Dumelow (talk) 18:36, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Dumelow. I have corrected the citation and expanded the text a little, but the sources are very limited. I had to add the story of his son falling off the scaffolding, which I didn't want to do because I don't fully understand the story. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:11, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

My take on it was that it was a fanciful story made up by the guide to add interest and it was disproved by the son saying that he was the workman who did the plastering and so could not have died; though perhaps best not to use if it is open to interpretation. There is a mention in his grandson's Dictionary of National Biography entry that "John Papworth was ‘master-plaisterer’ at St. James's and Kensington Palaces from 1780", maybe worth a mention? This book extract about Great Portland Street states: " Richard Ripley, an assistant to Sir William Chambers, lived at No.88 around 1780 and Chambers himself lived on Norton Street in the 1790s. His favoured stuccoist John Papworth was at 86 Great Portland Street in the late 1790s, his last years, with his son J. B. Papworth, then embarking on his architectural career", which may help emphasise the connection with Chambers? This journal article states he also did work at Berkeley Square "including taking down the ornamental frieze and architrave in the Front Drawing Room and repairing the cornice between August and November 1789" for Lady Powis (wife of George Herbert, 2nd Earl of Powis) - Dumelow (talk) 22:05, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

I took the liberty of expanding the article with the above info and removing the scaffolding story. The article is now plenty long enough but somebody else should probably give it the tick - Dumelow (talk) 08:29, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Length checks ok. Rest has been checked by Dumelow. Thanks, Zeete (talk) 23:00, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

The article is an orphan. Yoninah (talk) 22:57, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Which rule is that? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:09, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

It's better not to have tags on the article when it's on the main page. Yoninah (talk) 19:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah, since this article has been linked to from Papworth's son's article since early January and there is no "orphaned" tag, I'm guessing there's some other reason the tick hasn't been restored, so I'm not about to do so myself. Please proceed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:07, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Restoring tick. Yoninah (talk) 14:27, 7 February 2020 (UTC)