Template:Did you know nominations/John Baines (bobsledder)

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The result was: promoted by Victuallers (talk) 00:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

John Baines (bobsledder)

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~~... that it was announced John Baines would participate at the 2014 Winter Olympics four days before his event?~~

Reviewed: Zbigniew Bródka

Created by Matty.007 (talk). Self nominated at 14:06, 16 February 2014 (UTC).

Hook is misleading. He was already at the Olympics to participate in Bobsleigh at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Four-man 22-23 February. Craig Pickering wihdrew 7 February, and 12 February it was announced that John Baines would replace him in Bobsleigh at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Two-man 16-17 February. John Baines (bobsledder) claims it was decided within 24 hours but it may have been much longer. The article ref [1] is from 7 February and says "will decide who replaces Pickering within the next 24 hours". If they had actually decided by 8 February then I doubt they would have waited four more days to announce it (they still haven't announced who replaces Pickering in Four-man). PrimeHunter (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I would have thought that as long as it was misleading, not wrong, it was OK. Anyway, Alt 1: ... that John Baines competes for Team GB in the two-man bobsleigh at the Winter Olympics today? Mat ty.007 15:14, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I actually consider the original hook outright wrong unless it's reworded in a way which permits an already planned participation in another unnamed event, for example:

Alt 2: ~~... that it was announced John Baines would participate in two-man bobsleigh at the 2014 Winter Olympics four days before the event?~~ But I don't like misleading readers outside April 1. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'm fine with that, or Alt 1 which I earlier suggested. Thanks, Mat ty.007 15:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

If it is OK, please approve Alt 1, before 1600 GMT so that it can be replaced in the next queue so that it will be up when he is competing. Thanks, Mat ty.007 15:41, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah well, this should probably be saved for when the four-man bobsleigh is. I will wait a little to see the result of the two-man bobsleigh, then think about hooks. Thanks, Mat ty.007 16:04, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not a DYK reviewer but just commented on the hook. I don't have more objections on that. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:23, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the help. Mat ty.007 16:24, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

New enough, long enough, well-referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in sources. QPQ done. I have one question about the wording in the second paragraph under Olympics: He was picked within 24 hours, but was told about it 4 days before? Is the 24 hours detail important? Also, please tell me what you want to do about the hook. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:45, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I think that he was told within 24 hours, but it was announced 4 days before. I think Alt 2 is probably best. Thanks, Mat ty.007 21:08, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Could you write ALT2 a little more dramatically, maybe mentioning that he was there to do 4-man bobsleigh? Yoninah (talk) 21:14, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Alt 3: ~~... that John Baines, originally to participate in the four-man bobsleigh, ended up doing the two-man bobsleigh in addition at the 2014 Winter Olympics?~~ How's that? Thanks, Mat ty.007 21:22, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Here's a tweak:
ALT4: ... that John Baines of Team GB, originally set to compete in the four-man bobsleigh at the 2014 Winter Olympics, ended up doing the two-man bobsleigh as well? Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Can we change that to 'Baines of Team GB' as the first linked article gets the majority of the views. Thanks, Mat ty.007 21:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Since I just tweaked the grammar and added the team, I'm going ahead and approving this. Hook ref verified and cited inline. ALT4 good to go. Baines competes on Feb 16 and 17 – can the hook run then? Yoninah (talk) 22:00, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Response to above: Either that or the last weekend of the games when he is also competing. Thanks, Mat ty.007 22:05, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I have removed "within 24 hours" [2] since we don't have a source saying it actually happened then. I also updated the article to be up to date as of the evening of 16 February. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)