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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:06, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

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JoAnne Graf

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Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Article is new enough, long enough, adequately sourced, and free from close paraphrasing. I prefer ALT1 since I'm not sure if "winningest" is an encyclopedic term but also because it sounds more interesting as it focuses on her career. A QPQ has been provided QPQ pending. This is almost ready to go, I just need confirmation if she remains the winningest coach as of 2020 since the source given is from 2008. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:04, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Approving ALT1. I'm not sure why the Seminoles or Division I softball aren't linked, though. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:12, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @HickoryOughtShirt?4: @Narutolovehinata5: @Yoninah: I'm reopening this one, because at the time it hit the queue it said the following:
    ... that as coach of the Florida State Seminoles, JoAnne Graf logged the most wins in the history of NCAA Division I softball, with 1,437?
    Which I see doesn't quite match the hook that was approved above, I'm not sure why. Anyway, as stated this is clearly not correct as from List of college softball coaches with 1,000 wins we see that several other coaches have logged higher numbers of wins since her retirement. Also there's a discrepancy between the number on that page for Graf (1,186) and the figure from the article (1,437). Are some games not included in the list? Anyway, I think we need a new version of the hook that makes it crystal clear that the record was held only at the time of her retirement, not as of 2020. ALT1 sort of states that, but it could be clearer. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:03, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
If there's a discrepancy with her total number of wins, maybe a hook that combined aspects of ALT1a and ALT1b could work?
  • ALT1c: ... that at the time of her retirement in 2008, Florida State Seminoles coach JoAnne Graf held the record for most wins in the history of NCAA Division I softball?
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, do you approve of the new Alts? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
As I mentioned above, I'm not sure if ALT1a or ALT1b are wholly accurate considering the number of wins apparently excludes a number of wins, as discussed above. It might be a good idea to ask for a second opinion here; I'm hesitant to give a new tick as I proposed a new hook above. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:01, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Oops, sorry. For some reason I missed your text and thought you just signed by accident. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed to check the remaining ALT hooks, to see whether they are are sufficiently accurate. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
the dates of her tenure as coach of Florida State do not seem to be consistent within the article. The first sentence of the second paragraph of the "Coaching career" section states returned to FSU in 1979, but then two sentences later it states her coaching career from 1978 to 2008. Am I missing something here? Flibirigit (talk) 01:46, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
@Flibirigit:, per this source [1] she coached UNCG from 1977–1978 and then moved to Florida in 1979. The wording was confusing and I have fixed it.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:53, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for that update. The infobox states "ACC Coach of the Year", "BS.c, PhD", but none of these are not mentioned in the body of the article. I think you meant to cite these from here. Please check. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 02:04, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: I added a subsection for education. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:16, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. We just need to add the six ACC Coach of the Year awards into the body and then we're good. Flibirigit (talk) 02:26, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
@Flibirigit:,  Done. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:33, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Approving ALT1a, ALT1b, ALT1c as each are properly cited, mentioned inline, and verified as per here. I also considered the discrepency at List of college softball coaches with 1,000 wins which listed Graf with only 1186 wins and a coaching tenure of (1984–2008). Since neither of those totals are cited, and the citation in the footnote for the vacated wins is broken, I am disregarding these as incomplete and uncited. The verifiable source here for 1437 wins is sufficient to make me believe the list is not completely correct. Flibirigit (talk) 03:00, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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