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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 22:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Jiro Sato

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  • ... that Japanese finalist for the Wimbledon doubles in 1933 Jiro Sato couldn't take the pressure put on him by his country and its Tennis Federation and so committed suicide on route to a Davis Cup match?

5x expanded by Lajbi (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

  • The DYK check bought this article up as a stub. DYK's can't be stub articles. AARON• TALK 22:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • It's funny because it has been assessed as B-class article by WP:JAPAN three days ago. Please have a closer look at it and re-review it, please (or provide a more detailed explanation on the matter). Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 22:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • It is still classified as a stub by WikiProject Biography. When this is sorted I will review it further. AARON• TALK 23:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Because they didn't recognized that it has been expanded (stub assessment came from April 11, 2007). What about you reassessing the article then giving it a DYK review? Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 09:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Well I'm involved with the review so it's probably best that I don't re-assess it. AARON• TALK 10:21, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm quite sure stubness doesn't depend on the project templates on the talk page, but rather that it has 1500 charaters at least, has reliable references for it. Imagine an article e.g. Monica Seles's that has seven (!) wikiprojects attached to it, and seven assessments...for a DYK one has to request seven reassessments before sending it to review? As far my past experiences go, my recent articles passed DYK and THEN got their stub templates removed. I'm not trying to annoy you but I think you got this wrong. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 11:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • The DYK check will not display character length or confirm 5x expansion when it is a stub. Look on the left and click on toolbox and then on DYK Check and see for yourself. There's nothing I can do until it is reassessed by someone. I haven't got this wrong because I didn't find out that stubs couldn't be reviewed until I nominated one once myself, so I am speaking from experience. Find someone who in uninvolved with the article to re-asses for you. If you have had DYK's passed as a Stub article then whoever reviewed them does not know what they are doing. I'm surprised someone didn't notice. AARON• TALK 12:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Have you tried removing stub-class from the template, then click on DYK, review it and then, if you don't want to put the stub category back (because it certainly passed), leave it blank resulting in a "???", so it will indicate it needs a reassessment by said wikiproject? Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 12:32, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm not removing the Wikiproject. The quicker to find someone to re-assess, the quicker I will review and most likely pass this DYK. All you need is for someone to re-assess as low as a C. But a Stub is not acceptable, and so is ??? AARON• TALK 14:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I've already did ask WP:BIO (which will probably take some time) but I still find this absurd regarding my upcoming DYK nominations. And I didn't say you should remove the wikiproject but to remove the STUB parameter from it temporarily, so you can click the DYK the check. And btw there are other methods to count the characters apart from that tool; when I do a review I tend to use other online tools and thus I can remove the stub marks myself from an article (actually I always use outside programs), so this way I don't upheld the nomination. Anyway it will be reassessed soon and we can move forward. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 15:50, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Or we could just be bold and change it, like I just did. It's clearly not a stub. Disavian (talk) 20:14, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • When I use DYKcheck, it gives me the size, whether it's been expanded, and also any warnings about stubs or previous DYK or ITN posts. I have never had it refuse to give me the size data for that reason. The fact that the stub warning comes up should never delay a review: a full review is still warranted at that time, but the result of the review must not be approval until the stub issue is resolved. Perhaps the question mark icon, if that's the only problem, or the slash if there are others. Another note: Start class is acceptable if the article doesn't warrant a C rating, and there's no requirement that the article has been assessed at all, though once it has been only another assessment should replace it. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:41, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Now that we got this out of the way, the article is still open for reviews. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 09:29, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes I know. I'll do it today. AARON• TALK 11:37, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Hook is sourced and within length, QPQ done, expanded 5x within five days. Good to go. AARON• TALK 18:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
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