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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by  Ohc ¡digame! 12:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

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Inchdrewer Castle, George Ogilvy, 3rd Lord Banff

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Inchdrewer Castle in day

Inchdrewer Castle in day

Moved to mainspace by Sagaciousphil (talk), Eric Corbett (talk). Nominated by Matty.007 (talk) at 18:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC).

Sagaciousphil knows that QPQ is not required, this not being a self nomination, but would like to use this as QPQ anyway. Best, Matty.007 18:43, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Date, size, all fine. The hook would be nicer if George Ogilvy, 3rd Lord Banff could be at least stubbed and thus linked (with his full, rather nice title) from the hook. Could this be done (cc @User:Matty.007, User:Sagaciousphil? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Pings don't work, but Sgaciousphil told me she was on the case of creating the article. Could be a duel hook, so how about we wait a little? Sagaciousphil is working on it here. Best, Matty.007 13:12, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, thanks both of you - I am trying to finish it up right at this moment but I'm a bit slow and ploddy! I'll hopefully have it ready to move into main space later today. The only change to the hook would be to perhaps change his name to his title, so George Ogilvy could become "Lord Banff" with a pipe link or do you think it's better as is? SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:22, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Perhaps a multiple hook is in order? Matty.007 13:54, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I've now moved George Ogilvy, 3rd Lord Banff to main space. I believe, even with the block quote, it's long enough and should also qualify for DYK to enable this to become a double nomination. Matty, could you correct this template, please? Can you also add Eric Corbett to the credit as he's ploughing through copy editing at the moment? The second QPQ to cover the additional nomination is Fraternal Society of Patriots of Both Sexes. SagaciousPhil - Chat 15:07, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
OK, in response, I can't move it, summed up on instructions as "Don't". Added Eric, working on the hidden credit. Matty.007 15:13, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Hang on, do you want Eric credited with Inchdrewer as well? Matty.007 15:15, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Ogilvy long enough. Alt 1: ... that George Ogilvy, 3rd Lord Banff, who "sold his country and religion for a 10/- [ten shilling] note", was murdered, and his body burnt, at Inchdrewer Castle (pictured)? Matty.007 15:18, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I know it shouldn't be moved but I think the second article (George Ogilvy, 3rd Lord Banff) has to be added/linked in some way so the article history etc shows? And yes, Eric should be credited for Inchdrewer. I bet you didn't realise how much work you were going to end up having to do for this nomination, Matty! SagaciousPhil - Chat
Good good. The credit is hidden in the non-see stuff. Done history. What do you think about Alt 1? Matty.007 15:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm fine with either hook but I think my preference would be for the original as Inchdrewer Castle is the main (and more comprehensive) article. Reviewer gets the choice? SagaciousPhil - Chat 15:55, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
OK. Tweaked it a little, feel free to revert if you don't like it. Best, Matty.007 15:57, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Either hook is fine, but I still think that the first one should use the words "lord banff" and the second one should be shorter, "for a ten shilling note". The numerical is a bit confusing there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 20:28, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Lord BanffHere's my ALT3 proposal (someone else will have to review it): --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:13, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Piotrus, I'm certainly quite happy with your ALT3 (which I've emboldened), so adding the re-review icon - I'm not sure if I should strike the others? SagaciousPhil - Chat 12:00, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't look like anyone's formally reviewed George Ogilvy yet, so I'll do it: new enough, long enough, well sourced, neutral, no copyvio, all checks out. But I'm afraid I'm going to complicate matters by suggesting another alt hook, as I think the proposed hooks are all kind of awkwardly phrased and/or cluttered with extraneous detail.

What do you think? DoctorKubla (talk) 11:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for reviewing, DoctorKubla. I have no problems with your ALT4 - I had just been trying to have Inchdrewer Castle as the first link as I thought it was the better article. SagaciousPhil - Chat 11:34, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
I can understand that, but personally I'm sceptical that the position of a link has any influence on the number of clickthroughs. People click on whatever interests them, and I think my hook would create more interest in the castle itself, which the other ALTs, despite the prominence of the link, only really mention in passing. Anyway, we can let the next reviewer decide – I'll put another icon, to be clear that we still need outside input.
Both articles have been reviewed, just need someone to approve one of the hooks. DoctorKubla (talk) 11:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

- Alt3 checks out and is the authors first choice. I have also checked out George Ogilvy article for length, ref, paraphrase etc. Given the other checks described above then I think this is GTG Victuallers (talk) 08:10, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

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