Template:Did you know nominations/Hildegard Rütgers

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:23, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hildegard Rütgers

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~~... that Hildegard Rütgers appeared as the Third Boy in a production of Die Zauberflöte at the Salzburg Festival and in the first version of Bach's Magnificat with Helmuth Rilling?~~

Reviewed: Self-Portrait with Halo and Snake

Created by SusunW (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 19:00, 5 July 2015 (UTC).

Article is certainly new enough, appears to contain appropriate citations, has no dispute templates, does not appear to violate WP:BLP (subject is still living), and is presented quite neutrally and with neither peacock language nor negative overtones. Two concerns, though: article is only just barely long enough to qualify (1,567 characters in 303 words), and the hook is... Well, the hook lacks the bit that catches the fish: it states a basic fact about a person of no widespread notability in the English speaking world in a minor role from a Mozart opera that was aired over 50 years ago. It contains no surprise, no tease, no record accomplishment, nothing unusual or seemingly unlikely. Maybe there are things about this article or its hook which would be surprising for readers of the German Wikipedia, but I don't see anything here to grab the attention of those of the English one. I have also read the article carefully and didn't see anything that could be made into a decent hook. But perhaps I am wrong on that (?). The nominator has a history of successful DYK nominations, so I would like to encourage her to see what she may be able to do about this. Other than the hook, the article appears to qualify on all technical grounds. KDS4444^Talk 15:33, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Did you know that Mozart did not write a main part for alto? Did you know that a fact doesn't have to be recent? - The article was created to fill a red link on the Magnificat, - we could concentrate on that, with Rilling, the pope for choral music until 2013.

ALT1: ... that Hildegard Rütgers recorded the first version of Bach's Magnificat with Helmuth Rilling?

Or just be quirky, in April fool style.

ALT2: ... that Hildegard Rütgers appeared as the Third Boy?

We cold expand the article, but there are so many others waiting ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I am afraid I do not know my Mozart well enough to know which parts he did or didn't write for his operas or to be surprised by their absence (though, isn't "alto" usually a pretty important one?). I certainly knew a fact didn't have to be recent to be interesting (my comment on the event taking place 50 years ago was meant to suggest that it didn't have immediacy as a potential hook, but no more than that). That all being said, I enjoyed both of the proposed alternative hooks! I am not a regular DYK reviewer, and would like another (more-experienced) reviewer to have a quick look and make a final call on this, but I now see no faults in the nomination. Thank you for making it! KDS4444^Talk 05:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. - You can also just strike the first hook by surrounding it by <s> and </s>, approve the others and let the prep builder decide. Happy listening to Mozart's all-soprano music, Pamina, Queen of the night, Papagena, - all sopranos. Even in his Mass in C minor - when other composers have SATB soloists - he has two competing sopranos, no alto ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, have struck the first hook using markup as per your suggestion. Is there anything else I need do now to complete my part in the review process? If so, please let me know. Thanks! (And what did Mozart have against altos, anyway? Maybe it was something personal! Strange.) KDS4444^Talk 01:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

You have to copy the little green icon (more precisely: the string right of it) from above. - Mozart was in love with sopranos, - never met me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 13 July 2015 (UTC)