Template:Did you know nominations/Hamburg Steak

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:26, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Notability, should be merged

Hamburg Steak

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... that while one tale has it that the Hamburg steak was invented in Hamburg, Germany (pictured), another alleges that it is an English creation?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jack McAuliffe (brewer)

5x expanded by Bonkers The Clown (talk). Self nominated at 10:55, 27 May 2013 (UTC).

Hook had a little grammar error. I fixed it. Can you please emphasize in the article how this differs from a Salisbery steak? Can you please cite the claim as well? From what it seems, it looks almost identical and this would make the reader confused. Proudbolsahye (talk) 02:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Similar to the Salisbury steak, but different because of ingredients. Indentical to what? The Salisbury article reds far differently. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:05, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I know the article are different. But I believe many readers would like to see the difference of the two steaks sourced in the Hamburg steak article so as to not refer to another page. Also, the hook is not fully sourced. I will add the tag in the article... Proudbolsahye (talk) 16:46, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Done, I believe? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:48, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Don't know about Proudbolsahye's concern, but you've already claimed this QPQ in Template:Did you know nominations/Satay Club, so you need to review another nomination (in addition to completing that review :P) Mentoz86 (talk) 21:41, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Oops, so I see. But isn't it "legal" now since I reviewed yours twice? Anyways, QPQ changed. Thanks for the heads up. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 03:25, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Full review needed, to check the abovementioned issues, and also to do the basic DYK checks such as length, newness, close paraphrasing, citations, etc. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:19, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Why is there this article? It's not as if there is a big distinction like with Salisbury steak. There seems to be a perfectly good article to fold the content into... -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 02:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

They come from different countries, and are served differently. Hamburger came from Hamburg Steak, and for one, the hamburger has buns whilst the latter does not. Thank you. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 06:53, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Bonkers, you should try to find sources which contrast the hamburg steak with the hamburger. This would help tremendously in showing that this is generally considered a separate dish. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:47, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

This source (which has been present since the nom) states the difference quite clearly. Just a bit of history here: The Hamburg steak was invented earlier than the hamburger. I hope it is okay now. Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 06:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

That's not saying its different, that's implying "it's a hamburger without the bun", which is why there's been some resistance here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:04, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Before the hamburger was invented, there was just the Hamburg steak, so obviously people ate it just like that. Even though there's the hamburger now, we should not equate it to be the same, just minus a bun. However, I do know that different people of different nationalities will think of "Hamburg steak" and "Hamburger" to mean different things. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 07:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

The issue is that this could easily be merged into "Hamburger#History", with a statement that it is still eaten as a steak. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Assuming this is not going to be merged, I have tagged some material that needs clarification. μηδείς (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

What sort of clarification is needed? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 03:45, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

The present hook ("... that while one tale has it that the Hamburg steak was invented in Hamburg, Germany (pictured), another alleges that it is an English creation?") strikes me as needlessly wordy, so I am offering:

ALT1 ... that different tales attribute the creation of the Hamburg steak to German and English origins?

Another possible hook might be:

ALT2 ... that adding bread to the Hamburg steak led to the creation of the hamburger?

EdChem (talk) 04:31, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I think I prefer ALT 2. Thanks, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 04:40, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Responding per a comment at my talk page. I am still unconvinced of the standalone notability of this piece of food. Unless sources which clearly differentiate between the two and consider them different foods are added, I will be nominating this for merger. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:51, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Crisco 1492, it's been a week and nothing has been done to the article. The nomination is now over two months old. Next steps? BlueMoonset (talk) 13:54, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Is there a provision in the rules for mandatory delisting? -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 18:05, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Comment. Much of the article is a duplicate of History of the hamburger#Hamburg steak and should be incorporated, as the notability of Hamburg steak is likely not comparable to Salisbury steak to have a stand-alone article. This entry should be delisted and merged accordingly pending consensus. Alex Shih ^Talk 18:23, 4 August 2013 (UTC)