Template:Did you know nominations/Hacı Abdullah Restaurant
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 09:52, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
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Hacı Abdullah Restaurant
... that the ownership of the 1888-established Hacı Abdullah Restaurant in Istanbul passed down from chef de cuisine to sous-chef throughout its history? Source: "1888 yılından bu güne serüvenini ustadan çırağa devredilerek devam etmiştir." [1]
Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 12:39, 27 November 2022 (UTC).
Gave this a copyedit, feel free to review. New enough, long enough, neutral, every sentence has in-line citations and I trust that the translation process has eliminated any close paraphrasing issues that could have popped up. The corresponding sentence in the body for the hook fact is directly cited. QPQ completed. DigitalIceAge (talk) 17:26, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Hook was pulled from the Main Page after discussion at WP:ERRORS. I failed to catch that the hook fact is not entirely true, as the article brings up a few of instances where unconnected non-cooks have taken ownership of the restaurant. Reopening this in case CeeGee can think of another interesting angle for a hook; I am also willing to adopt this nomination. DigitalIceAge (talk) 02:59, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @DigitalIceAge: First of all, thank you very much indeed for your efforts. You did a great job. I was not aware of the discussion in my absence, so that it was impossible for me to intervene. I did now a copy editing in the artcile, and suggest the following hooks: CeeGee 09:38, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that the ownership of the 1888-established Hacı Abdullah Restaurant in Istanbul passed down sometimes from head chef to apprentice?- ALT2 ... that dishes at the 1888-established Hacı Abdullah Restaurant in Istanbul are cooked in handcrafted copper pots?
I can confirm the copper pots hook as interesting and referenced. The article has the correct inline citations and the QPQ is done. When nominated it was new enough and long enough. I spot checked one of the foreign language articles and I did not find copyright violations. Bruxton (talk) 18:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Interested in your thoughts about this DYK hook and article as the resident restaurant expert. Is it good to go from your point of view? Cielquiparle (talk) 11:09, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- How long was it on the MP? Will a promoter still want to re-promote? I'm not sure I've seen this before.
- Re: ALT2... the fact they use copper pots is interesting to me, as a person highly interested in cooking, but I'm not sure it's going to interested someone who might not know that's at all unusual. (And even for me the fact a 130-yo Turkish restaurant uses handcrafted copper pots is not at all surprising, they probably are using the same pots they opened the restaurant with in 1880, and of course all of those would be copper, it's Turkey.) Also that statement is sourced to an interview with one of the owners, who is saying a lot of typically promotional stuff. I actually think the fact the restaurant was the "first registered" restaurant in Turkey and is still open is pretty interesting, but the support for "first registered" are the restaurant's website and what appears to be a blog. Actually I'm a little concerned about the sources in general. We're leaning most heavily on the restaurant and the blog. The Hurriyet source is only showing up for me as being a few sentences, and we're citing to it six times. The other sources we don't have an article on so more complicated to assess notability Valereee (talk) 12:55, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- @CeeGee and DigitalIceAge: Could you please see Valereee's comments above and address? Restaurant articles seem to run into issues with regard to notability and sources quite a bit, so it would be great if we could have a couple more reliable secondary sources in the article, and/or if you could provide a bit of background on the current sources here. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Cielquiparle Thank you for your note. I've slightly expanded on the "copper pot" cited with an extra newspaper article. CeeGee 09:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)