Template:Did you know nominations/Ha! Ha! Pyramid
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:06, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
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Ha! Ha! Pyramid
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Ha! Ha! Pyramid
Ha! Ha! Pyramid
- ... that the Ha! Ha! Pyramid (pictured) in La Baie is covered in 3000 yield signs because the French word for yield "céder" is pronounced the same as "s'aider", meaning 'to help someone'?Source: Musée du Fjord
- ALT1:... that the Ha! Ha! Pyramid (pictured) is covered in 3000 yield signs because the French word for yield "céder" is pronounced the same as "s'aider", meaning 'to help someone'?Source: Musée du Fjord
- Reviewed: If It Ain't Got That Swing(book)
Created by Dmartin969 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:14, 27 September 2018 (UTC).
New, long enough, and within policy. Hook is neutral and accurately cited (I'd go with ALT1 because it's tighter, but both are within the 200 character limit.) QPQ done. This is good to go. --Coemgenus (talk) 14:46, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I came by to promote this, but I find the hooks completely obscure. What is the connection between the pyramid and helping people? Yoninah (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- Yoninah (talk · contribs) This is clearer when you read it in the article. The monument commemorates a flood, and the artist wanted to encourage people to help each other in times of need. I thought what I posted was good enough considering the limit, as the reviewer even stated that they preferred the shorter alt. dmartin969
22:13, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- Well, the idea of a DYK hook is to "hook" the reader into clicking on the article. If they don't understand the hook, they won't click on it. You have a very good image which could make the lead slot, but the hook also has to be clearer and snappier. I did some editing on the article and added some more from one of the sources. I also added a "citation needed" tag for one sentence; if this is a personal observation, perhaps you should remove it. I'd like to suggest a different hook direction. Though the pyramid is named after the river, perhaps something more can be implied from the name, like:
- ALT2: ... that the Ha! Ha! Pyramid (pictured), a contemporary art monument covered in 3,000 yield signs, was conceived as a form of therapy for residents of La Baie, Quebec, who survived a flood? Yoninah (talk) 23:02, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that the Ha! Ha! Pyramid (pictured), a monument covered in 3,000 yield signs, was conceived to encourage residents of La Baie, Quebec, who survived a flood, to help one another? I really wish I could get in the part about the céder and s'aider but if this is the only way that's fine. dmartin969 01:06, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Dmartin969: well, it is a bit difficult to introduce several French words in a hook for the English Wikipedia. I'm wondering if we could pipe the link in the hook and leave it in the picture caption, to get away from that "Ha! Ha!" part:
- ALT4: ... that a 21 metres (69 ft) high pyramid (pictured) covered with 3,000 yield signs was designed to encourage residents of La Baie, Quebec, who had survived a flood, to help one another? Yoninah (talk) 12:07, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
- Yoninah (talk · contribs) This is clearer when you read it in the article. The monument commemorates a flood, and the artist wanted to encourage people to help each other in times of need. I thought what I posted was good enough considering the limit, as the reviewer even stated that they preferred the shorter alt. dmartin969
- @Yoninah: As this has been stuck for almost a month, I'll be reviewing your hooks. I like the thought of the hooks but I feel that they're too long. Would there be a way to make them tighter? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:46, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- How about this:
- ALT5: ... that Ha! Ha! Pyramid (pictured), a monument commemorating a flood in La Baie, Quebec, is covered in 3000 yield signs because the French words for "to yield" and "to help" have the same pronunciation?
- I think the pronunciation hook is pretty interesting. ALT2-4 wouldn't really make me click on them. Daß Wölf 22:17, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Daß Wölf:, but this was my problem with the original hooks: What does yielding have to do with helping? There's no obvious connection between a pyramid - yield signs - helping. Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- They're homophones of course, as it says in the hook. Two random words that happen to have the same pronunciation and the artists built a monument around that wordplay. Unless there's more to it -- I wouldn't know, I just happened to come across the article today -- but that's unusual enough for me. Daß Wölf 22:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Considering the problems with the other hooks, let's stick with ALT5 as the most snappy and is interesting to a broad audience. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:56, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- They're homophones of course, as it says in the hook. Two random words that happen to have the same pronunciation and the artists built a monument around that wordplay. Unless there's more to it -- I wouldn't know, I just happened to come across the article today -- but that's unusual enough for me. Daß Wölf 22:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Daß Wölf:, but this was my problem with the original hooks: What does yielding have to do with helping? There's no obvious connection between a pyramid - yield signs - helping. Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 3 November 2018 (UTC)