Template:Did you know nominations/Greeks in Malta

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:43, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Greeks in Malta

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... that Malta's Greek community once included slaves, as well as the privateers who captured them? For the slave population, see Brogini 2002: Auprès de ces esclaves non chrétiens, vivent à Malte des esclaves chrétiens en nombre assez conséquent (20% des esclaves). Ces esclaves sont souvent des Grecs ou des chrétiens d’Orient (Syrie, Egypte), ou encore des habitants d’Europe centrale et orientale (Hongrie, Valachie) qui ont été capturés le long de la route d’Alexandrie ... Une fois à Malte, ils doivent prouver leur appartenance à la religion chrétienne pour recouvrer leur liberté, mais ils peuvent également être maintenus dans leur condition servile. ("Alongside these non-Christian slaves, Malta was inhabited by Christian slaves in rather consistent numbers (20% of the slaves). These slaves were often Greeks and Christians of the Orient (Syria, Egypt), or even inhabitants of Central and Eastern Europe (Hungary, Wallachia), captured along the Alexandria route ... Having reached Malta, they needed to prove their belonging to the Christian faith in order to recover their freedom, but they could also be left in their servile state.") For the privateers, Blondy 1994b, p. 77: [Les corsaires] c'étaient avant tout des Provençalo-Marseillais qui trouvaient ainsi le moyen d'agrandir leur fortune et d'établir, à Malte, une correspondance avec leur propre maison de commerce française. C'étaient aussi des Siciliens ou des Napolitains, des Grecs ou des Ragusais qui répondaient aux mêmes intérêts. ("[Corsairs] were above all Provencal-Marseillais people who thus found a way to increase their fortunes and to set up, in Malta, a correspondence with their very own French commercial house. They were also Sicilians and Neapolitans, Greeks and Ragusans, who had similar interests in mind.") And p. 87: Michel Fontenay recense 300 corsaires laïcs au XVIIe siècle, dont 235 d'origine connue : 49 % sont des "Maltais"..., 34 % Français, 8 % Italiens, 5 % Grecs, 2 % Espagnols, 1,5 % Dalmates et 0,5 % Flamands. ("Michel Fontenay counts 300 lay corsairs during the 17th century, of whom 235 had a known origin: 49% are Maltese..., 34% French, 8% Italian, 5% Greek, 2% Spanish, 1.5% Dalmatian and 0.5% Flemish.")

Reviewed: Sushil Siddharth

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 13:59, 25 March 2018 (UTC).

This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are included in the article but it is difficult to find them actually cited inline, which is a DYK requirement. If you were to add a citation in the lead where the statement appears in the third paragraph, that would solve the problem (You could remove it again afterwards!). The article is neutral and I detected no copyright problems. QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:10, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: I tend to avoid citations in the lead, particularly when they're redundant. Please note however that both facts are cited inline. One appears as: By 1580, Hospitaller Malta was organizing privateer raids on Ottoman Tripolitania and the Levant, attracting some Catholic Greek volunteers—perhaps as many as 5% of the total privateers. The other: Between 1550 and 1600, some 20% of the captives were Christians, many of them Greeks; the policy was to release most non-Muslims, but in practice some Greeks were still kept as slaves, in perpetuity. Dahn (talk) 17:31, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree about not having citations in the lead. The sentences you quote support the hook less well than the single sentence in the lead, but I'll give the nomination a tick and we'll see if anyone else objects. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:09, 17 April 2018 (UTC)