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- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 21:37, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
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Goncharov (meme)
- ... that an internet meme about the nonexistent film Goncharov originated with a Tumblr user posting a photo of the film's name found on a pair of boots? Source: https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/goncharov-scorsese-movie-tumblr/
- ALT1: ... that an internet meme about the nonexistent film Goncharov has inspired a fandom which, as of November 2022, had posted over 500 fan fiction works about the film on Archive of Our Own? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/nov/25/goncharov-why-has-the-internet-invented-a-fake-martin-scorsese-film
- ALT2: ... that the nonexistent film Goncharov, subject of an internet meme of the same name, at one point had a Letterboxd page with several "reviews" by users, which was later deleted by the site? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/22/style/goncharov-scorsese-tumblr.html
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- Comment: Article content originated as a list entry which I initially added to List of Internet phenomena, which was expanded into a mainspace article by another user (incorporating the list entry and a draft which I contributed to) after continued significant coverage of the subject.
Converted from a redirect by BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4 (talk) and Special:Contributions/93.107.217.97 (talk). Nominated by BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4 (talk) at 22:32, 24 November 2022 (UTC).
Moved from Talk:Goncharov (meme)
- Comment I would recommend saying "fictional" instead of "fictitious." The latter carries the connotation that the Goncharov meme is a serious attempt to deceive people into believing in the existence of an imaginary film, while the former indicates that there's a general understanding that the film doesn't exist and the meme is an elaborate joke. CJ-Moki (talk) 05:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- @CJ-Moki: I think "fictional" implies that the film's content is fictional, which isn't what we're trying to convey. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:43, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: If that is the case, I propose "imaginary" be used in place of "fictitious." Again, "fictitious" often carries the connotation of deception, whereas "imaginary" conveys that there isn't a serious effort to deceive people into believing in the existence of a fake film. CJ-Moki (talk) 09:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- @CJ-Moki: We can always say "nonexistent" in keeping with the wording of the current revision of the article. Or just use a different word across all locations. silvia (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 12:01, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: If that is the case, I propose "imaginary" be used in place of "fictitious." Again, "fictitious" often carries the connotation of deception, whereas "imaginary" conveys that there isn't a serious effort to deceive people into believing in the existence of a fake film. CJ-Moki (talk) 09:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- @CJ-Moki: I think "fictional" implies that the film's content is fictional, which isn't what we're trying to convey. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:43, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I have strong concerns relating to the article's use of a non-free "movie poster", given that this is a non-existent film. The non-free media appears easily replaceable, and we can't run a DYK until we resolve the image copyright issues. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Red-tailed hawk: I have amended the file description page to what I believe is a more appropriate fair use rationale which addresses the concern raised. Hopefully it is now sufficient. silvia (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 05:22, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
A full review of this nomination is still needed. Flibirigit (talk) 12:32, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: None required. |
Overall: I find the rewritten fair use rationale persuasive. Actually I was more concerned about Daily Dot being used as a source but I suppose it can be allowed in this instance, as the claim is not contentious. I prefer the first hook. BorgQueen (talk) 13:57, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- I don't fully understand the history here, but per discussion on my talk page and on WT:DYK#Users promoting or rejecting articles which they reviewed, I've removed this from queue 2. As far as I can tell, it's really to be promoted back to a new prep set, but I'll leave that for somebody else while I sort out the rest of queue 2. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC)