Template:Did you know nominations/Garden of Ninfa
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The result was: promoted by Montanabw(talk) 17:00, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
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Garden of Ninfa
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... that the Garden of Ninfa (pictured) is considered "the world's most romantic garden"?
- Reviewed: Run, Nigger, Run - a review isn't officially required but Hafspajen did this as his first ever DYK review
- Comment: Hafspajen is busy with University at the moment, so please allow him a little time to do some final tweaks to the article before reviewing.
5x expanded by Hafspajen (talk), Yngvadottir (talk), Drmies (talk).. Nominated by Sagaciousphil (talk) at 11:20, 26 March 2014 (UTC).
Great article about a beautiful place! A few remarks, though (and I understand you might be busy so perhaps you just haven't had time to fix this yet). Firstly and most crucially, the hook lacks a citation as far as I can see. And even if it did have a citation, I would strongly prefer something like "is considered" or "is considered by person x" since it's quite a bold statement. Secondly, you should have a (very basic) caption for the picture. Otherwise it checks out as far as I can see! Yakikaki (talk) 17:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I am completely washed out, was working half the night and just finished, right now. I would need some time-out and will look at it as soon as I am recovered. Please have just a little patience and I will fix everything. The hook is referenced here, by the way, in this book [1] . Charles Quest Ritson [2] is director and council member of the Royal National Rose Society and founder-secretary of the Historic Roses Group and an internationally acclaimed writer on gardens, roses, history and Italy. Some of his books include: The English Garden Abroad, The English Garden - A Social History and Climbing Roses of the World. See you later. Hafspajen (talk) 18:35, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
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... that the Garden of Ninfa (pictured) is considered by some to be the world's most romantic garden? 
Perfect. Great work! Yakikaki (talk) 21:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Remove from queue. Refs are all bald URLs, and the Further Reading section could use some formatting. See WP:Citing sources. Also, the words "most romantic garden in the world" are a direct quote from the source, so they should be quoted that way in the hook. Yoninah (talk) 13:24, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- I don't understand why you did this. I don't call good practice to work my as of for a nice article for Wikipedia, and get kicked in the but just because I am not too good at all these high standards. I would have preferred to be contacted on my talk page instead of being humiliated in front of all people at the DYK. Hafspajen (talk) 14:27, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, it's my bad really. I was so focused on the wording of the hook I didn't pay proper attention to the formatting of the sources. I apologise for this. But I'm pretty sure no one regards this as anything personal. The point is absolutely not to humiliate any one. Already I noticed that these problems seems to have been fixed by some very helpful people. It's nothing personal, it's just about fixing things and learning. And as I said, it's mainly my fault for not paying attention enough as reviewer.
- Hafspajen (and Yakikaki), don't get your knickers in a twist. This is no embarrassment and everything's been taken care of--consider it a learning experience. Yoninah (Yakikaki, Yoninah seems to be as picky as I am in some areas, and that's a good thing), please see the new and improved version of the article, and the updated hook (simply emended the original--I'm sure you could have done that quietly). Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:12, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- I'm confused. The original hook now sports quotes around "world's most romantic garden" while ALT1 does not, and the actual phrase seems to come from the title of the Quest-Ritson book cited in the Bibliography, Ninfa: The Most Romantic Garden in the World. I'm striking the original hook because of the earlier disagreement that led to the addition of "by some" in creating ALT1. Either the quotes there will need to be around "most romantic garden", or (what I think Yoninah is asking for) the actual wording of the hook needs to change to directly use the quote "the most romantic garden in the world". Finally, this is the first time I've seen the title-style references being used as a reason for pulling a DYK from the front page. (The quote issue is valid.) The DYK rules suggest using Reflinks on true bare URLs, which only have an actual http link or just a [1] link, and what Reflinks creates is basically what's here in this article: a linked article title. While more information is always better (access date, author, and so on), it is not required—see WP:DYKSG#D3 for specifics. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, no need for confusion. I didn't even see there was an ALT hook, which is exactly the same as the original except for the addition of this awful "by some". Please considering running the original hook--the whole "is considered" already implies that it's a consideration held by a number of human beings though not necessarily all of them. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Drmies, how about "has been called"? I'm not particularly fond of "by some" myself, but "is considered" carries more official weight when I read it, and I can see why the original reviewer objected to that. Here's ALT2, which uses the exact quote as requested by Yoninah:
- ALT2: ... that the Garden of Ninfa (pictured) has been called "the most romantic garden in the world"? —BlueMoonset (talk) 17:12, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- ALT2 says it best. I'm sorry, BlueMoonset, I was under the impression that URLs done the way they were in this article were considered "bald", and I have spent umpteen hours fixing them on all the articles I review. Drmies' clean-up of the referencing certainly looks much better. Hook ref verified and cited inline. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 17:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Wonder if noticed the remark about this DYK, Hafspajen did this as his first ever DYK review - by Sagaciousphil? Wonder if your intention was to scare away a DYKnewbie? Or not... but you might succeeded. As Drmies said: * I'm sure you could have done that quietly, all this could have been managed in a more quiet, collaborative way, not by ripping of green ticks . In a collaborative, workshop-type project way. Hafspajen (talk) 23:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)