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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:54, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Fort Smith Trolley Museum

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Fort Smith Birney streetcar 224

  • ALT1:... that at the Fort Smith Trolley Museum, in Arkansas, Birney Safety Streetcar No. 224 (pictured), listed on the National Register of Historic Places, gives rides to the National Cemetery?
  • ALT2:... that at the Fort Smith Trolley Museum, in Arkansas, one can ride to the National Cemetery in a 1926 Birney streetcar (pictured) that is listed on the National Register of Historic Places?
  • Reviewed: Berchtesgaden National Park
  • Comment: The article specifically on Birney streetcar 224 is also new, but is not yet long enough to meet DYK requirements (though it meets all other requirements, I believe), and I don't know whether I'll be able to add enough content to qualify it for its own DYK (i.e. to be bold in the hook) before time runs out. For that reason, I've not made it bold in the hooks – and I even included one possible hook wording (ALT2) that doesn't link directly to that article. The reason I've mentioned the National Register of Historic Places in all of the suggested hooks is that the NRHP includes relatively very few vehicles of any kind, and almost all of the ones included are ships or locomotives, only 7 being streetcars/trolleys.

Created/expanded by SJ Morg (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

  • I've now expanded the prose portion of the second article, Birney Safety Streetcar No. 224, to more than 2,000 characters (not counting the infobox, wiki-markup, inline-reference numbers, etc.), i.e. well beyond the 1,500-character threshold, so it should be DYK-eligible in its own right and, therefore, can be made bold in the hook. SJ Morg (talk) 09:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Fort Smith Trolley Museum was expanded 5x within 10 days prior to nomination; Birney Safety Streetcar No. 224 was created within 10 days prior to nomination. Both exceed 1,500 characters and are not stubs. No copyvio detected (checked online sources). Both have inline citations and are neutral in tone. Preferred hook is slightly long. Suggest rephrasing as:

This would bring it under 200 chars. Either phrasing and both of the alternate hooks are verifiable and inline-cited in the article. Choess (talk) 02:01, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Oh, and image is CC-licensed. Choess (talk) 03:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
  • The original hook is 191 characters if "(pictured)" is not counted, and there's a lack of consensus at DYK as to whether it should be counted. Also, WP:DYKLN indicates that the 200-character limit can be increased for hooks containing more than one new or recently 5x-expanded article, as this one now does. I realize that shorter hooks are generally preferred (unfortunately, "National Register of Historic Places", which isn't even one of the two DYK-qualifying articles here, consumes a lot of characters!), but if it's just a matter of a few characters, to get it under 200, I wanted to point out that the reasoning behind that thinking may not actually apply in this case. SJ Morg (talk) 04:35, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
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