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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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Fort Saskatchewan

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  • ... that in 1913, the fire chief of Fort Saskatchewan was arrested for speeding while on his way to a fire? Source: Ream, Peter (1974). The Fort on the Saskatchewan. Metropolitan Printing. pp. 409–425.

Improved to Good Article status by CplKlinger (talk). Self-nominated at 05:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC).

  • Source given is a book, so it's recommended that it be linked to in the reference (like so, and this appears on p.103, not 409). The hook needs to be rewritten so that Fort Saskatchewan is bolded and linked. The source also does not show that the chief was arrested, as he could have just been given a court date. Other than that, looks good. Long enough, new GA, looks like first hook so no QPQ needed. AviationFreak💬 14:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Alt0a ... that in 1913, the fire chief of Fort Saskatchewan had to appear in court for speeding while on his way to a fire? Source: Ream, Peter (1974). The Fort on the Saskatchewan. Metropolitan Printing. pp. 103.
  • Thanks for your quick response! How is this? CplKlinger (talk) 17:05, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • The source should ideally be linked in the article, but if not that it at least needs to have the right page number in the article. The source also doesn't state that he had to appear in court, just that a case was filed against him. I'm not very familiar with 1910s Canadian Judicial policy, but I would imagine the judge likely dismissed the case before Jones ever had to show up. AviationFreak💬 17:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • The source that you linked is the first edition of the book, whereas the copy I own, and used when writing the history section for the article, is the second edition. The second edition is much longer than the first, and also structured differently. In my copy, the fire is discussed on pages 412-413, while page 103 talks about the plays and events hosted by the police garrison at Fort Saskatchewan. As for the court case, here is the line I referenced. Please can you give me your opinion as to whether or not it hints that he had to be present? "The taxi swerved past him, raced down 101 Street, and turned into the station, where another policeman was waiting, having been contacted by phone by the outraged arm of the law at the city's centre. The subsequent court case was dismissed, when it was discovered that S.O. Jones was the fire chief at Fort Saskatchewan, and he was told that as such he could drive as fast as he liked in Edmonton." To me, it seems like he would have attended the session himself since it was "discovered" that he was the fire chief for Fort Sask, and he was "told" that he could speed in the future. Although, it certainly is possible that he was told through other means. What do you think? CplKlinger (talk) 18:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Ah, I didn't realize there were multiple editions. The second edition doesn't appear to be available online, and the wording there does make it seem like he was actually present at the case. Interestingly, it appears that Jones was also mayor at the time, though in a town of 1,000 people that's understandable.
    Accepting ALT0a, AGF for source. AviationFreak💬 19:36, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but the article doesn't say anything about him speeding to a fire; he was trying to catch a train. Yoninah (talk) 18:14, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • He was trying to catch a train to go to the fire. He was in a nearby city when he received word about the fire. CplKlinger (talk) 18:20, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @CplKlinger: Per WP:DYK#Cited hook, the hook facts have to be stated in the article. Yoninah (talk) 18:23, 17 October 2020 (UTC) Please add something to the first sentence of the second paragraph explaining that he was rushing to assist with the firefighting. Yoninah (talk) 18:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Is this re-phrased sentence satisfactory? "S.O. Jones, Fort Saskatchewan's fire chief, was with his son in Edmonton when he was notified of the fire; in order to reach the blaze, he had to race to the local CNR station in a taxi to catch a train bound for Fort Saskatchewan." CplKlinger (talk) 21:14, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @CplKlinger: yes, the new sentence is most explanatory. But I feel the hook is not. It just sounds like he was racing to a fire, like in his own city. I think you should try for something more "hooky". Like:
  • ALT1: ... that in his hurry to get to a fire in Fort Saskatchewan, the town's fire chief was pulled over for speeding and nearly hitting a police officer in Edmonton? Yoninah (talk) 12:51, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I see exactly what you mean, and I love this new hook. Thank you for being so patient with me, and such a great help. CplKlinger (talk) 15:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT1 Accepted - A bit wordy, but that seems necessary here and it's under 200 chars by a decent margin. AviationFreak💬 15:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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