Template:Did you know nominations/Florin (New Zealand coin)
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The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 17:35, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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Florin (New Zealand coin)
- ... that a design for the New Zealand florin was described as a kiwi violently defecating? Source: Stocker, Mark (2005). "'A Very Satisfactory Series': The 1933 New Zealand Coinage Designs" British Numismatic Journal, #75, p. 154 "It is clear that the initials must come out, and I would be glad if you would suggest what kind of buzz-fuzz can go in to take its place. What about a New Zealand fern, very small, or something of that kind? I am afraid that, if you put a plain spot there, it would look as if the kiwi had just relieved nature, and moreover that he was suffering from so violent a need to do so that he had propelled the pellet out with considerable violence."
Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 21:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Florin (New Zealand coin); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- I will review this. —Panamitsu (talk) 01:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- This wouldn't do bad as an April Fool's hook. Bremps... 04:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Generalissima: Article looks good. Hook looks good too, which matches article and source. I agree with Bremps that it would make a good April Fool's hook. QPQ is done. Looks good. Everything looks good.
—Panamitsu (talk) 21:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Bremps and Generalissima: Our hook needs to state who said this, "was described as a kiwi violently defecating?" Bruxton (talk) 15:43, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: It does not, as long as it's clear in the article.Generalissima (talk) 16:56, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Bremps and Generalissima: WP:DYKHOOK I would like to get an opinion from @Theleekycauldron:. As I am a reader and potential promotor the hook, I see this as the opinion of one so it seems to me that it is WP:UNDUE to focus on the negative. As it is I cannot even find the quote in the article: the closest I can find is this wording
Johnson took issue with the placement of Kruger Gray's initials, describing their placement in the rear of the kiwi as analogous to a pellet propelled out of the bird.
Bruxton (talk) 18:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Bremps and Generalissima: WP:DYKHOOK I would like to get an opinion from @Theleekycauldron:. As I am a reader and potential promotor the hook, I see this as the opinion of one so it seems to me that it is WP:UNDUE to focus on the negative. As it is I cannot even find the quote in the article: the closest I can find is this wording
- @Bruxton: It does not, as long as it's clear in the article.Generalissima (talk) 16:56, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Bremps and Generalissima: Our hook needs to state who said this, "was described as a kiwi violently defecating?" Bruxton (talk) 15:43, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
@Bruxton and RoySmith: hi there! Sorry I haven't responded until now. Looks like there are a couple of things floating around here. In re attribution: I have a little essay about that here, and I think that in this instance, we're okay. "Was described as" is enough to let people know that we're not saying this in wikivoice, the same way we could probably get away with that in the article lead and then elaborate in the body. In re finding the quote in the article: I don't love that it's a quotebox, but I don't think that's a show-stopper. In re due weight: this is the tougher one. I basically land on the idea that we're not being unduly negative about this design because that quote about this design basically stands in a vacuum, making it the default position of the balance. Now, there are some factors that might encourage extra extra caution, such as a BLP or an active controversy or other potential for us to do damage, but this is a proposed design of a coin that isn't in ciruclation where all of the designers are probably dead. It's about as far from a high-stakes situation as you can get. With that in mind, here's my bulletproof version:
- ALT1 ... that a design for the New Zealand florin was criticized as looking like a violently defecating kiwi?
thoughts appreciated :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Thanks for the message. My hesitation involved cherry picking the most unflattering comment and highlighting it without stating the qualifications of who said it. Since you do not think it os problematic I will promote it as a quirky. Bruxton (talk) 17:34, 3 December 2023 (UTC)