Template:Did you know nominations/Flora Botton
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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 06:42, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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Flora Botton
- ... that Mexican sinologist Flora Botton was rescued by an American soldier when being transported on a train from Bergen-Belsen in 1945? Source: "La profesora, investigadora, traductora y escritora mexicana —de origen griego y sefaradí— especializada en la historia de la cultura, la filosofía, la historia y la sociedad china" [Mexican professor, researcher, translator and writer —of Greek and Sephardic origin— specializing in the history of Chinese culture, philosophy, history and society] and the rescue part: p 6, p 147 (Note the top of the page confirms they were on a transport train and her name is shown in the next to the last paragraph on that same page).
Created by SusunW (talk). Self-nominated at 19:44, 12 April 2022 (UTC).
Article is new, lpng enough and neutral. It is sourced with inline citations. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports moderate text similarities resulting from proper nouns. The hook is well-formatted, and interesting. Its length is within limit. Its fact is accurate with inline citation. QPQ was done. Good to go.— Preceding unsigned comment added by CeeGee (talk • contribs) 11:59, April 21, 2022 (UTC)
- @SusunW and CeeGee: The article identifies Botton's nationality as Greek and Spanish, and I cannot find mention in the article that she is a Mexican citizen. Is it accurate to describe her as a Mexican sinologist? Z1720 (talk) 20:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Z1720 What else could you call her? The only place she has ever been employed is in Mexico, so logically she is a Mexican sinologist, regardless of her Greek-Spanish nationality. Her nationality (for the record, legally citizenship, i.e. rights within a country, is not the same as nationality, i.e. belonging to a nation and internationally recognized rights between countries) has nothing to do with where she lives and works. How could you call her a Greek or Spanish sinologist if she never earned a degree in any of those countries, was never certified to teach there, nor has ever worked as a sinologist in either of those places? Professional certifications between countries don't necessarily transfer to another country. Sorry, but your question is confusing to me. SusunW (talk) 20:50, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- I guess in simpler terms, she is credentialed in Mexico and not elsewhere. SusunW (talk) 20:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @SusunW: Nationality, cultural identity, and if a person is a member of a country are tricky subjects that can be debated endlessly. However, in my opinion, it would be original research to assume that a person is Mexican because they have lived and worked in Mexico for the majority of their life. As for credentials, more information is needed to determine if this verifies Botton as Mexican; to give an analogy, a teacher can be credentialed in England, but that does not mean that their nationality is English. Are there sources that verify that Botton is considered Mexican? Z1720 (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Z1720 You seem to be conflating nationality with certifiction. She is credentialed in Mexico, thus she is a Mexican sinologist. She wouldn't necessarily be credentialed in Greece, or Spain, or anywhere else. Her license to teach and research are documented to be from Mexico. SusunW (talk) 21:11, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @SusunW: Nationality, cultural identity, and if a person is a member of a country are tricky subjects that can be debated endlessly. However, in my opinion, it would be original research to assume that a person is Mexican because they have lived and worked in Mexico for the majority of their life. As for credentials, more information is needed to determine if this verifies Botton as Mexican; to give an analogy, a teacher can be credentialed in England, but that does not mean that their nationality is English. Are there sources that verify that Botton is considered Mexican? Z1720 (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- I guess in simpler terms, she is credentialed in Mexico and not elsewhere. SusunW (talk) 20:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Z1720 What else could you call her? The only place she has ever been employed is in Mexico, so logically she is a Mexican sinologist, regardless of her Greek-Spanish nationality. Her nationality (for the record, legally citizenship, i.e. rights within a country, is not the same as nationality, i.e. belonging to a nation and internationally recognized rights between countries) has nothing to do with where she lives and works. How could you call her a Greek or Spanish sinologist if she never earned a degree in any of those countries, was never certified to teach there, nor has ever worked as a sinologist in either of those places? Professional certifications between countries don't necessarily transfer to another country. Sorry, but your question is confusing to me. SusunW (talk) 20:50, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @SusunW and CeeGee: The article identifies Botton's nationality as Greek and Spanish, and I cannot find mention in the article that she is a Mexican citizen. Is it accurate to describe her as a Mexican sinologist? Z1720 (talk) 20:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)