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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Flibirigit (talk) 17:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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Fielding L. Wright

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  • ... that Mississippi Governor and segregationist Fielding L. Wright had a $50,000 lawsuit filed against him by an Imperial Emperor of the Ku Klux Klans of America? "Florida Klan Merger Explained By Spinks". Clarion-Ledger. February 2, 1950. p. 2. Archived from the original on May 5, 2020 – via Newspapers.com.

Improved to Good Article status by Jon698 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Article was promoted to GA on 16 June. No issues with article that I can see, hook is interesting and source is used in article. QPQ is done. Looks good to me! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 07:32, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

per talk —valereee (talk) 13:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

  • I am perfectly fine with the halting of this as I originally thought that the article covered enough of his anti-civil rights and pro-segregationist views. However, now that I had time to review it is obviously lacking. - Jon698 (talk) 14:03 1 July 2020
  • @Valereee: Well I found something really interesting for a new DYK hook. Could this replace the current hook? I picked the original hook for the oddity of a KKK leader suing a racist governor, but this new hook would tie into Wright's career more suitably and it would still be an attention grabber. - Jon698 (talk) 15:15 1 July 2020
  • ALT1 ... that the execution of Willie McGee, conducted during Mississippi Governor Fielding L. Wright's tenure, was included in a petition by the Civil Rights Congress to the United Nations? Mississippi A History. Civil Rights Congress. 1952. p. 192 – via Google Books.
That looks interesting! I think we could have kept the alt that was already in queue (with 'and segregationist' added) but Levivich was concerned about NPOV at the article itself, which seemed like it was going to take longer to fix than could be done by tomorrow. —valereee (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
  • I don't understand what the ALT1 hook is supposed to mean. Was this petition supposed to be some kind of appeal to prevent the execution, a documentation of inappropriate or racially biased executions after the fact in the hopes of preventing similar executions in the future, or what? (Also, you can't include an execution in a petition, though you can include a report or condemnation of it.) The article's wording is similarly opaque. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Jon698, for future reference, it's not okay to rewrite hooks, since the prior discussion then makes no sense; it's why we do separate ALT numbers for each. I've restored the original ALT1, and listed what you changed it to as ALT2 below:
The hook is still problematic, I'm afraid; "ordered by Governor Fielding L. Wright tenure" isn't acceptable or grammatical, and the only revision I can think of, to "ordered during Governor Fielding L. Wright's tenure", is kind of blah—he was governor at the time of the trial and the death sentence that resulted from it. Did Wright intervene in the matter? Did he criticize the various stays of execution? Did he just let it happen (which was pretty typical back then)? I'll be honest: I'm uncomfortable that this article was promoted to be a Good Article in its current condition, as I don't feel it meets the "clear and concise" criterion, and the comments made by Levivich and others on the article's talk page about the article's inadequate balance and neutrality should have prevented its approval and in any case these issues are more than enough to disqualify it from DYK, which requires neutrality in its own criteria, unless the article is extensively revised to address the issues. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: Just wondering, but is the hook itself okay while I can expand the execution part in the article? Obviously going to work with him on improving the article before this goes up as a DYK.
  • Jon698, no, I'm afraid the hook isn't okay (and shouldn't have been edited in place to remove "tenure"; please always propose a new ALT if you need to make any changes). The article says, in Wikipedia's voice, that Wright "had the execution of McGee carried out". Such a strong statement absolutely needs to be reliably and neutrally sourced to begin with, and for this to be used in a DYK hook, it needs to be sourced by the end of that sentence. (Wouldn't that have been the judge or jury who sentenced him to death? Governors can't make a sentence.) Wright might have authorized the execution, or done nothing to block it, but the source at the end of the following sentence doesn't say anything on the matter, and since the source is the Civil Rights Congress itself, it isn't a neutral source here since they are the ones charging genocide. (I didn't respond sooner because your ping didn't go through; when an edit isn't signed, any pings are ignored. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:07, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Significant issues still remain; when notified on their talk page, nominator said they would be fine with the nomination being closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:33, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
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