Template:Did you know nominations/Eva doesn't sleep
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The result was: promoted by 4meter4 (talk) 04:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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Eva Doesn't Sleep
[edit]- ... that actress Sabrina Macchi, who plays Eva Perón in the film Eva Doesn't Sleep, initially sought to be casted for another role?
5x expanded by Cambalachero (talk). Self-nominated at 17:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC).
Hmmm...Shubinator's DYK check says it's 1501 characters (0 words) "readable prose size. — Maile (talk) 16:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- Given that over half of the Reception section is quotes (and the section has clear grammatical issues) I'd want more original content, so it will need to be expanded. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- That's a very good point. I was thinking about that when I first reviewed the article but forgot to mention it. Thank you BlueMoonset. Dr. K. 16:35, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- MS Word word-counter results in 1432 characters. In any case the plot is completely unsourced and the sentence "Pyramide Films bought the rights to distribute the film in France." is also unsourced. Therefore, the sourced content is definitely below 1500 characters. Dr. K. 16:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- Dr. K., when I put the prose into MS Word (absent headers and reference citations) I get 1501 characters there as well (we always use the "Characters (with spaces)" number; spaces count toward the 1500 prose character minimum). DYKcheck is the gold standard for DYK and knows what counts as prose and what doesn't (and it makes other important checks as well); you can find out more about it at WP:DYKcheck. Sourced or unsourced content is not a factor in the total count; sourcing is a separate consideration. For fiction, plot sections generally don't need to be sourced: the work itself is considered to be its own source. (Obviously, this is only true for released works, and only if the section is being written by someone who is basing it on having seen or read the work in question; otherwise, a source must be given.) I added a source for the Pyramide sentence a short while ago, so that's taken care of. (For the hook, I would recommend that Cambalachero replace "casted for" with "cast in".) BlueMoonset (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- I checked the length again through MS-word and it gives me 1532 characters including spaces. Perhaps I took the 5 to be a 4 when I first checked. In any case MS-word counter is pretty reliable. As far as citations for the text I prefer to give them even for the plot so we don't have any disputes on what details to include. Unsourced material may be challenged and/or removed and that can create problems for articles so short as to teeter on the edge of acceptable DYK length limits. In any case, now that we can agree on the length I will pass the article after I have a final review soon. Dr. K. 19:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- Done. I expanded the article a bit more. Cambalachero (talk) 23:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
- I checked the length again through MS-word and it gives me 1532 characters including spaces. Perhaps I took the 5 to be a 4 when I first checked. In any case MS-word counter is pretty reliable. As far as citations for the text I prefer to give them even for the plot so we don't have any disputes on what details to include. Unsourced material may be challenged and/or removed and that can create problems for articles so short as to teeter on the edge of acceptable DYK length limits. In any case, now that we can agree on the length I will pass the article after I have a final review soon. Dr. K. 19:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- Dr. K., when I put the prose into MS Word (absent headers and reference citations) I get 1501 characters there as well (we always use the "Characters (with spaces)" number; spaces count toward the 1500 prose character minimum). DYKcheck is the gold standard for DYK and knows what counts as prose and what doesn't (and it makes other important checks as well); you can find out more about it at WP:DYKcheck. Sourced or unsourced content is not a factor in the total count; sourcing is a separate consideration. For fiction, plot sections generally don't need to be sourced: the work itself is considered to be its own source. (Obviously, this is only true for released works, and only if the section is being written by someone who is basing it on having seen or read the work in question; otherwise, a source must be given.) I added a source for the Pyramide sentence a short while ago, so that's taken care of. (For the hook, I would recommend that Cambalachero replace "casted for" with "cast in".) BlueMoonset (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- Given that over half of the Reception section is quotes (and the section has clear grammatical issues) I'd want more original content, so it will need to be expanded. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Good to go. More than 5x expansion, length, policy-compliance verified. Hook verified. No copyvio detected. Needs a bit of work on the grammar front but nothing too egregious. Dr. K. 02:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
