Template:Did you know nominations/Ethel Maynard

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 17:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Ethel Maynard

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... that Ethel Maynard was the first black woman elected to the Arizona State Legislature? "Life and legacy of Ethel Maynard, first black woman elected to the Arizona Legislature". Arizona Central. February 28, 2019. Archived from the original on September 29, 2020.

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Moved to mainspace by Jon698 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:24, 6 October 2020 (UTC).

Article is new enough and long enough. It is neutrally written, and free of copyright violations that I can find. Hook fact is verified by the source, and is cited in the article. I would recommend linking "black" both in the lead and the hook; I would also recommend adding when her term was to the lead. QPQ is pending. Some slight redundancy in the article lead, but that's not enough to hold up the DYK. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:54, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Done with the QPQ. Jon698 (talk) 16:37, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jon698: I think the linking I mentioned is necessary for clarity. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:35, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Why? Jon698 (talk) 21:39, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jon698: Because the average reader from outside North America or Europe may struggle to understand the significance, or why the term is appropriate. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: Umm people outside of North America and Europe know what black people are. We don't link to African Americans in every article regarding a black person. Jon698 (talk) 01:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

I didn't say they didn't know who black people were, I said it would add clarity and context. The history of race relations in the US is not universally known; the term "black" is also still considered offensive in some places (though not, of course, in the US at the moment). We don't add a link in every article, but it's logical to add a link when being a black person is central to an understanding of the person's legacy. Why are you opposed to adding a link? Vanamonde (Talk) 01:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Because it is pointless and not necessary. Anybody looking at the article can clearly tell it is about black people in the United States and more specifically in Arizona. Jon698 (talk) 01:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, the manual of style disagrees with you. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:04, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Then I withdraw the nomination. Jon698 (talk) 02:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jon698:, please take a moment to reconsider. You've written a decent article about a consequential figure. I'm asking you to add a link that would help readers understand why she was consequential. Are you seriously saying you'd rather have this not appear on the main page than add a link to African American to your hook? Vanamonde (Talk) 02:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Okay, but instead of African Americans shouldn't it be to List of first African-American U.S. state legislators? Jon698 (talk) 02:27, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jon698: That's a reasonable compromise, but in that case, I'd recommend piping the link to "first black woman", rather than just "black woman"; it's less confusing that way. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Done! Jon698 (talk) 02:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

All my concerns addressed. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:36, 12 October 2020 (UTC)